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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#111 » Sun May 24, 2020 7:12 am

Hat wrote: Wed May 20, 2020 7:00 pm
normanis wrote: Fri May 15, 2020 12:11 pm well mara get damage boost overall few recent patches back
also pull was broken for some half year or more.
wounds yes is 6k+ if u wear conqueror and up .
The damage buff was barely noticeable, it's around 40-50 extra damage on certain skills at 1050 str. The only skill that got a substantial dps increase is wrecking ball which is a 13pt ability in the aoe tree so it has no relevance on sav/brut builds.

The main issues with mara are:

1) it has no burst / doesn't have the sustained pressure of a choppa in red
2) mara debuffs are made completely redundant by a 2h BG

Nerfing TB from 5 pt to 13 pts is a relic from when the max gear on the server was devastator and the wounds debuff was extremely powerful. Nowadays even dps classes are running around with 700+ wounds so a 100 wounds debuff at this point is barely anything, certainly not worth 13 points of mastery - not to mention that every 2h BG specs for an automatic wounds debuff on crit (which can also be an aoe wounds debuff) and chosen also have a aoe wounds debuff.

So then you have an armor debuff and a 25% heal debuff. Mara's heal debuff is the shittiest heal debuff in the game so not much more needs to be said, and the armor debuff is covered by BG & BO.

So ultimately, why bring mara over a choppa or we for small scale / scs? They do quite a lot more damage and also have real heal debuffs.
only buff need was for convulsive slashing and vuala u have burst
mara get heal debuff first in game in t1 while athers need spec for it or wait higher levels ( mostly ppl need spec for it) move heal debuff mastery tree and 9p 50% heal debuff or wych and wh have 9lvl heal debuff 50% byt its kiss/bullet u need proc it with finisher or every 4th attack . mara can spam it just like that not proc it 4th or 5th attack.
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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#112 » Sun May 24, 2020 6:39 pm

What relevance does having a heal debuff in T1 have to do with anything? So a marauder can heal debuff all the new players levelling in nordland? great, I guess?

And honestly, a 25% heal debuff is crap, no matter the fact that mara gets it at level 12. A 25% debuff isn't nearly strong enough to properly pressure healers and on top of that, it's on likely what is the lowest dps melee on destro currently.

IMO:

1) revert the TB nerf (160 wounds, 5pts savagery mastery)

2) lock TB to only be allowed in savagery and brutality stance so that it benefits from piercing bite

3) draining swipes replaces tainted claw as the level 12 core ability for mara

4) tainted claw becomes the 13pts savagery mastery

5) upgrade tainted claw to have all the benefits of deadly clutch

6) deadly clutch redesigned into something else (no ideas here)

I feel like mutated energy should also probably be changed into something that isnt worthless too, but white lions also have to lose out on some goodies in either axeman or hunter in order to spec for a knockdown so i guess it's somewhat balanced - not to mention choppa and mSH have a core knockdown already.
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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#113 » Sun May 24, 2020 8:52 pm

Hat wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 6:39 pm What relevance does having a heal debuff in T1 have to do with anything? So a marauder can heal debuff all the new players levelling in nordland? great, I guess?

And honestly, a 25% heal debuff is crap, no matter the fact that mara gets it at level 12. A 25% debuff isn't nearly strong enough to properly pressure healers and on top of that, it's on likely what is the lowest dps melee on destro currently.

IMO:

1) revert the TB nerf (160 wounds, 5pts savagery mastery)

2) make TB require savagery or brutality stance so that it benefits from piercing bite

3) draining swipes replaces tainted claw as the level 12 core ability for mara

4) tainted claw becomes the 13pts savagery mastery

5) upgrade tainted claw to have all the benefits of deadly clutch

6) deadly clutch redesigned into something else (no ideas here)

I feel like mutated energy should also probably be changed into something that isnt worthless too, but white lions also have to lose out on some goodies in either axeman or hunter in order to spec for a knockdown so i guess it's somewhat balanced - not to mention choppa and mSH have a core knockdown already.
These are really bad ideas mara just need old tb and pb back. TB only for savagery, really?

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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#114 » Sun May 24, 2020 9:17 pm

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These are really bad ideas mara just need old tb and pb back. TB only for savagery, really?
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i agree , only sava . I love switch stance :)

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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#115 » Sun May 24, 2020 9:24 pm

wildwindblows wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:52 pm These are really bad ideas mara just need old tb and pb back. TB only for savagery, really?
You misread what i said, i said:
"make TB require savagery or brutality stance"
Like how Rend can be used in either sav or brut stance. The main point being that TB would be able to benefit from piercing bite tactic (which it currently doesn't) - more damage for mara. Though I guess I didn't explain what i meant very well in my origional post.

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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#116 » Sun May 24, 2020 9:53 pm

Hat wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 9:24 pm
wildwindblows wrote: Sun May 24, 2020 8:52 pm These are really bad ideas mara just need old tb and pb back. TB only for savagery, really?
You misread what i said, i said:
"make TB require savagery or brutality stance"
Like how Rend can be used in either sav or brut stance. The main point being that TB would be able to benefit from piercing bite tactic (which it currently doesn't) - more damage for mara. Though I guess I didn't explain what i meant very well in my origional post.
İ see. As i said Mara need old pb tactic back. Old pb worked on all skills and AA altough it is written "50% armor penetration on mutation req. skills" on tooltip. After devs changed pb they said pb corrected according to tooltip.

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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#117 » Sun May 24, 2020 10:14 pm

oh yeah that Mara buff wasn't enough

**cries in SW**

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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#118 » Mon May 25, 2020 2:59 pm

mara get all mastery trees buff based on main stat - noticible dps increase
sw = well this class should be removed from game anyway, burned as herecy .
p.s why ingame when u fresh start build character, choose race, clase. noone give u some tip. for example dont play sw noone whants u , u are free rr for enemy. better play bw or atleast engi as rdps . ( and game already make for u bw with random bw name like dedzinatajs or piusrage flam.......... )
yes mara need more byffs and nerf more order
tb should be aoe not single target and should nerf order about 3k wounds ( just saying,)
p.s maby than we all roll maras , byt there will be huge problem who will play as order????
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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#119 » Mon May 25, 2020 3:58 pm

normanis wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:59 pm mara get all mastery trees buff based on main stat - noticible dps increase
sw = well this class should be removed from game anyway, burned as herecy .
p.s why ingame when u fresh start build character, choose race, clase. noone give u some tip. for example dont play sw noone whants u , u are free rr for enemy. better play bw or atleast engi as rdps . ( and game already make for u bw with random bw name like dedzinatajs or piusrage flam.......... )
yes mara need more byffs and nerf more order
tb should be aoe not single target and should nerf order about 3k wounds ( just saying,)
p.s maby than we all roll maras , byt there will be huge problem who will play as order????
Stop whining. MSW really nice compared to mara. MSW has brust, kd, teleport and kb. MSW can easly kill dps classes. Also sw's stance proc's much better than mara. Mara cant use stance tactics because you need to pick other tactics like pb, dc, fof and gi. There is no spot for main stat tactics.

p.s: Mara lose those main stat bonuses when changing stance and this means waste of stactic slot.

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Re: Mara Proposal

Post#120 » Mon May 25, 2020 4:42 pm

wildwindblows wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 3:58 pm
normanis wrote: Mon May 25, 2020 2:59 pm mara get all mastery trees buff based on main stat - noticible dps increase
sw = well this class should be removed from game anyway, burned as herecy .
p.s why ingame when u fresh start build character, choose race, clase. noone give u some tip. for example dont play sw noone whants u , u are free rr for enemy. better play bw or atleast engi as rdps . ( and game already make for u bw with random bw name like dedzinatajs or piusrage flam.......... )
yes mara need more byffs and nerf more order
tb should be aoe not single target and should nerf order about 3k wounds ( just saying,)
p.s maby than we all roll maras , byt there will be huge problem who will play as order????
Stop whining. MSW really nice compared to mara. MSW has brust, kd, teleport and kb. MSW can easly kill dps classes. Also sw's stance proc's much better than mara. Mara cant use stance tactics because you need to pick other tactics like pb, dc, fof and gi. There is no spot for main stat tactics.

p.s: Mara lose those main stat bonuses when changing stance and this means waste of stactic slot.
dont whine about mara when mara got buffed. i wouldnt protect sw if mara didnt get dps boost overall. with asw u can pug ( for premades easy target) in city sieges i didnt seen asw in order premades only pugs. byt mara and msquig always has place in premades.
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