-Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
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Re: -Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
I dont think I was talking about the same thing as you.
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Markon... you are losing out on the opportunity of a lifetime.
Challenge the staff to make a 6 man for the tourney utilizing 2h tanks in some way and if they win I will personally put forth 2k gold. Let's see if the staff are masters of the game or just dumpster babies. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Challenge the staff to make a 6 man for the tourney utilizing 2h tanks in some way and if they win I will personally put forth 2k gold. Let's see if the staff are masters of the game or just dumpster babies. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Re: -Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
Spoiler:
So the group with 2H tank + WE do 6500 damage mitigated by a SnB 50% guard, so we end up with 3250 damage done.
Conversely, the 2H tank group faces about 5500 damage against the SnB + WE and 2h tank mitigate 25%. They Take 4125 damage. So basically, every burst rotation, they fall behind. And that's for a duo. Double the numbers for a 6 man and the disparity between both setup is magnified.
Its probably an oversimplified explanation/extrapolation, but its probably gonna play out that way.
For it to balance out, the burst rotation of 2H tank would need to be as high as the dps one, which is no where near the case.
Re: -Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
Well, maybe you could theorize on how you would form a viable group around 2H tanks? Because I thought about it now for a good while and came up with nothing.CeeJay89 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:27 am I'm not disagreeing that they won't be as good of tanks as SnB (which they shouldn't be anyways). I'm addressing Peter's remarks about 6v6.
I guess I'm inclined to disagree. I don't believe 2H tanks will be unviable. Just maybe not as optimal as they were before in roaming/6v6 situations.
We'll see how it plays out, I suppose.
Also a damn shame. I equiped my SW just for this tourament over the last couple of weeks and was pretty hyped. But I compeletly agree that a 6on6 tournament is kinda pointless at the moment.
Re: -Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
If shields were given weapon dps values and AAs would that help close the gap at all?Eathisword wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 4:41 amPeter is right imo. When you focus burst, the total damage the tanks do compared to the 2 dps is low. For example, 2H IB can roughly do 2,5k damage in 2 GCD if crits. A WE can do over 4k (probably more). A SnB IB, about 1,5-2k. That 500-1000 difference, over the 6k total damage is a lot less for your team than the 25% guard loss.Spoiler:
So the group with 2H tank + WE do 6500 damage mitigated by a SnB 50% guard, so we end up with 3250 damage done.
Conversely, the 2H tank group faces about 5500 damage against the SnB + WE and 2h tank mitigate 25%. They Take 4125 damage. So basically, every burst rotation, they fall behind. And that's for a duo. Double the numbers for a 6 man and the disparity between both setup is magnified.
Its probably an oversimplified explanation/extrapolation, but its probably gonna play out that way.
For it to balance out, the burst rotation of 2H tank would need to be as high as the dps one, which is no where near the case.
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Re: -Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
Prolly new meta will be 3 dps and 1 snb tank which will require much more skill and awareness from the tank.
Imo all that cc connected to 2h is the biggest ptoblem. Some tanks just dont have decent snb builds so they will become quite obsolete
Imo all that cc connected to 2h is the biggest ptoblem. Some tanks just dont have decent snb builds so they will become quite obsolete
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Re: -Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
No its not, before those changes were ever made 2H was inferior to SnB
HTL, better surviveablity and mitigation, morale pumps among the plus points that existed for SnB specs
The devs made a bone headed decsion plain and simple, 2H specs werent over preforming in any way and some like 2H chosen were already trash
Re: -Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
No, the 1-3-2 effectiveness somewhat depended on making the offtank go boom. Against WL+WH/ASW or MRD+WE that one tank is just not going to be able to keep up and the range is not going to be able to kite
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Unstoppable1776 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:28 pm Lol look at all the groups that can't handle there meta....without there meta setup they are nothing. I love this guard change
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Re: -Cancelled!!- 3rd 6v6 tournament! Saturday 30th! -cancelled!!-
Naharis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:16 pmUnstoppable1776 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:28 pm Lol look at all the groups that can't handle there meta....without there meta setup they are nothing. I love this guard change
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