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danny262
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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#11 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:54 pm

lefze wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:15 pm
kcfalcon wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:38 pm I've heard many say that this toon is "broken," but have never heard anyone clarify what they mean or, more importantly I guess, is it still broken? Can anyone explain HOW this toon is "broken", and whether or not that has been fixed?

Also, just a side note, why is the melee attack "grim slash" not available in assault stance?
Grim Slash is available in all stances.

A lot of the mindless rants about aSW being broken comes from the fact that it was indeed extremely potent at one point. A bit of clarification on this, the whole thing started with Wrist Slash stacking, which meant you could potentially debuff 200 inititative. The way the formula worked made it possible to debuff people by 2-3k% incoming crit chance. originally, reaching 0 initiative did in fact make the target immune to crits, but after the fix it effectively meant that anyone you hit would be sitting at 50-100% incoming crit chance, as the formula is extremely unforgiving if you don't stack initiative rather hard.

However, this was later fixed by effectively giving everyone a +35 initiative bonus via the formula. This means that Grim Slash is really a 45 initiative debuff on top of anything else when compared to before the buff. Currently a lot of classes get 300+ initiative automatically, while others barely get 200. The power of the tactic is extremely inconsistent, in itself the tactic is a debuff of 3-4% when countered. If not countered however, it can be a rather significant debuff in the range of 40-50%+.
Now Grim Slash on hit effect cannot be stacked and has only 25% chance, which helps softening tanks only, or delivering an occasional blow on a bwitch elves, other than CD it has no advantage compared to any other ability, and it doesn't provide much of burst either, imho.

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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#12 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:06 pm

danny262 wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:54 pm
lefze wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:15 pm
kcfalcon wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 12:38 pm I've heard many say that this toon is "broken," but have never heard anyone clarify what they mean or, more importantly I guess, is it still broken? Can anyone explain HOW this toon is "broken", and whether or not that has been fixed?

Also, just a side note, why is the melee attack "grim slash" not available in assault stance?
Grim Slash is available in all stances.

A lot of the mindless rants about aSW being broken comes from the fact that it was indeed extremely potent at one point. A bit of clarification on this, the whole thing started with Wrist Slash stacking, which meant you could potentially debuff 200 inititative. The way the formula worked made it possible to debuff people by 2-3k% incoming crit chance. originally, reaching 0 initiative did in fact make the target immune to crits, but after the fix it effectively meant that anyone you hit would be sitting at 50-100% incoming crit chance, as the formula is extremely unforgiving if you don't stack initiative rather hard.

However, this was later fixed by effectively giving everyone a +35 initiative bonus via the formula. This means that Grim Slash is really a 45 initiative debuff on top of anything else when compared to before the buff. Currently a lot of classes get 300+ initiative automatically, while others barely get 200. The power of the tactic is extremely inconsistent, in itself the tactic is a debuff of 3-4% when countered. If not countered however, it can be a rather significant debuff in the range of 40-50%+.
Now Grim Slash on hit effect cannot be stacked and has only 25% chance, which helps softening tanks only, or delivering an occasional blow on a bwitch elves, other than CD it has no advantage compared to any other ability, and it doesn't provide much of burst either, imho.
The only part of relevance in whatever you are trying to say is Wrist Slash being reverted to normal type. No idea if this is true as I don't play ASW anymore, but this has not been in any patchnote.
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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#13 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:19 pm

lefze wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:40 pm
poffo wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:24 pm Scout line do way way to low damage all togather. SW scout is a glasscannon with only the glass.
This is correct. Their rework wasn't complete.
Scout can take a slightly more of a flexible defensive'ish tactics by combining with Assault, it main advantage is range, utilize close range disarm/burst that decimates any WE for oRvR scouts that already takes the backline, and you can step a little closer with 50% reduced cast times/8% team crit buff for reposition and procs.

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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#14 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:20 pm

lefze wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:06 pm
danny262 wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:54 pm
lefze wrote: Sun Sep 02, 2018 1:15 pm

Grim Slash is available in all stances.

A lot of the mindless rants about aSW being broken comes from the fact that it was indeed extremely potent at one point. A bit of clarification on this, the whole thing started with Wrist Slash stacking, which meant you could potentially debuff 200 inititative. The way the formula worked made it possible to debuff people by 2-3k% incoming crit chance. originally, reaching 0 initiative did in fact make the target immune to crits, but after the fix it effectively meant that anyone you hit would be sitting at 50-100% incoming crit chance, as the formula is extremely unforgiving if you don't stack initiative rather hard.

However, this was later fixed by effectively giving everyone a +35 initiative bonus via the formula. This means that Grim Slash is really a 45 initiative debuff on top of anything else when compared to before the buff. Currently a lot of classes get 300+ initiative automatically, while others barely get 200. The power of the tactic is extremely inconsistent, in itself the tactic is a debuff of 3-4% when countered. If not countered however, it can be a rather significant debuff in the range of 40-50%+.
Now Grim Slash on hit effect cannot be stacked and has only 25% chance, which helps softening tanks only, or delivering an occasional blow on a bwitch elves, other than CD it has no advantage compared to any other ability, and it doesn't provide much of burst either, imho.
The only part of relevance in whatever you are trying to say is Wrist Slash being reverted to normal type. No idea if this is true as I don't play ASW anymore, but this has not been in any patchnote.
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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#15 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:28 pm

danny262 wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:19 pm
lefze wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:40 pm
poffo wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:24 pm Scout line do way way to low damage all togather. SW scout is a glasscannon with only the glass.
This is correct. Their rework wasn't complete.
Scout can take a slightly more of a flexible defensive'ish tactics by combining with Assault, it main advantage is range, utilize close range disarm/burst that decimates any WE for oRvR scouts that already takes the backline, and you can step a little closer with 50% reduced cast times/8% team crit buff for reposition and procs.
None of what you wrote made any sence to me...bottum line scout stance has too low damage out put...end of that story

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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#16 » Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:50 pm

danny262 wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:20 pm
lefze wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:06 pm
danny262 wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:54 pm

Now Grim Slash on hit effect cannot be stacked and has only 25% chance, which helps softening tanks only, or delivering an occasional blow on a bwitch elves, other than CD it has no advantage compared to any other ability, and it doesn't provide much of burst either, imho.
The only part of relevance in whatever you are trying to say is Wrist Slash being reverted to normal type. No idea if this is true as I don't play ASW anymore, but this has not been in any patchnote.
Wiki
https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/inde ... ss_Changes
Patchnote
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=26951#p304937
yah, nothing about it not stacking
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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#17 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:46 am

lefze wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:50 pm
danny262 wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:20 pm
lefze wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:06 pm

The only part of relevance in whatever you are trying to say is Wrist Slash being reverted to normal type. No idea if this is true as I don't play ASW anymore, but this has not been in any patchnote.
Wiki
https://wiki.returnofreckoning.com/inde ... ss_Changes
Patchnote
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=26951#p304937
yah, nothing about it not stacking
Turn your brain on, It doesn't stack, never did, procs were patched for chance of 25%, do the reading grumpy.

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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#18 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:47 am

poffo wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:28 pm
danny262 wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:19 pm
lefze wrote: Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:40 pm

This is correct. Their rework wasn't complete.
Scout can take a slightly more of a flexible defensive'ish tactics by combining with Assault, it main advantage is range, utilize close range disarm/burst that decimates any WE for oRvR scouts that already takes the backline, and you can step a little closer with 50% reduced cast times/8% team crit buff for reposition and procs.
None of what you wrote made any sence to me...bottum line scout stance has too low damage out put...end of that story
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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#19 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:58 am

danny262 wrote: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:46 am
lefze wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:50 pm
yah, nothing about it not stacking
Turn your brain on, It doesn't stack, never did, procs were patched for chance of 25%, do the reading grumpy.
Huh? Wrist Slash has been stacking since last october. And yes, it's a 25% chance to apply now, but still a 20 second uptime. I don't understand what you are trying to argue.
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Re: Is Shadow Warrior "broken"?

Post#20 » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:58 am

danny262 wrote: Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:46 am
lefze wrote: Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:50 pm
yah, nothing about it not stacking
Turn your brain on, It doesn't stack, never did, procs were patched for chance of 25%, do the reading grumpy.
It definitely stacks, that was the reason it was nerfed to only 25% chance to proc.
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