Why archmages are so overpowered?

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Luuca
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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#21 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:21 pm

footpatrol2 wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:13 pm
What would be fun is to run 6 man archmage all with instant rez tactic and never really get wiped. You'll die a ton but would probably be impossible to wipe. Probably good for holding down locations.
Just imagine you get all but the last AM down, he pops M4 rez, and you have 5 AMs with 20% damage increase for 10 seconds back up and kiting.
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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#22 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:26 pm

Luuca wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 3:29 pm

providing the AM with similar tools for kiting that the Shamans have (e.i. super speed on hit)
But then destro get 2 ranged knockdowns, a mirror of sm m2, another melee class with leap. As they are all in the game solely to counter 30% speed proc from shammy/sh apparently

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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#23 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:31 pm

Luuca wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:21 pm
footpatrol2 wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:13 pm
What would be fun is to run 6 man archmage all with instant rez tactic and never really get wiped. You'll die a ton but would probably be impossible to wipe. Probably good for holding down locations.
Just imagine you get all but the last AM down, he pops M4 rez, and you have 5 AMs with 20% damage increase for 10 seconds back up and kiting.
Which only happens on paper and the story would be a bad one.
30ft range aoe res means, all of them have to die close together, all of them respawn with low health and res sickness and will most likely just die another time.
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Luuca
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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#24 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 4:48 pm

Having played a DPS AM to the modest RR of 60, mostly solo, but sometimes in groups, I can say the class performs well solo vrs even 2 enemies until you run into a blob (which is 90% of ORvR today). There is no Miracle get out of jail free card for AMs. They cannot get a seemingly 100% uptime 30% run speed increase, nor take the focus that other healers can and once they get "caught" it's over.

In a 6-man, with a decent front line like a guarded Slayer and two dedicated healers, it's very fun and chances of surviving a pull-KD are better but usually not a guaranteed save.

Overall, I feel life taps should be bolstered a bit. Maybe a tactic that increases healing from all life taps by 20% but also increases the Cleansing Light and Gift of Life abilities CD by 100% (10 second CD and 12 second CD respectively) Maybe change Empowered Lore to this effect.
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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#25 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:14 pm

' Why archmages are so overpowered? '

answer:

'Overall, I feel life taps should be bolstered a bit.'

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Sulorie
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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#26 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:51 pm

The OP never responded in this thread, so better close it.
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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#27 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:59 pm

Sulorie wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:51 pm
The OP never responded in this thread, so better close it.

...before Devs decide to review AM... :D

Would be interesting to hear what kind of data is available on this class compared to Shaman. What adult would be opposed to looking at hard numbers and data? Total kills globally, total deaths, total heals, total dps in RVR. Compare AM data to Shaman, then all dps, then all healers. Look at same data in scens.
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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#28 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 6:00 pm

You had no WE's for massive damage (don't pick any of the ones who spec futile strikes or anything defensive, they self break the class) and no Mara or Magus to pull in kitting players.

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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#29 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 7:12 pm

michela89 wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:33 am
I dunno how they perform as DPSers in T4.

But they are quite busted from Tier 1 to Tier 3.
One might say "yeah who cares it's not t4". But that's quite the welcome for new players.
Shaman twinks are equally busted. They have access to way more of their potent abilities than most classes do at lower levels. Especially in T1 where most tanks don’t have guard and most dps have like 2 abilities.
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Re: Why archmages are so overpowered?

Post#30 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 8:33 pm

Psychopski wrote:
Mon Aug 12, 2019 5:59 pm

Would be interesting to hear what kind of data is available on this class compared to Shaman. What adult would be opposed to looking at hard numbers and data? Total kills globally, total deaths, total heals, total dps in RVR. Compare AM data to Shaman, then all dps, then all healers. Look at same data in scens.
Both are balanced with each other.
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