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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#11 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:53 pm

Victim mentality won't do anything for you. You wanna be ignorant to the facts, that's your prerogative. Cheers.
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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#12 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:15 pm

kmark101 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:44 pm

Umm, no? BG has a % scaling based on its toughness, that's how it can go really high. IB's is a flat number, and when you spec 2H, that number is so low you are better off with a 80 toughness potion... Seriously people should stop living in legends and videos of a previous era/gear level.
requiring you to commit a tactic slot for that
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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#13 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:18 pm

well, i'm pretty sure IB are able to have their own threads to complain about 2H specs ^^ i'd like to keep this one for suggestions about RR spec and gear...
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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#14 » Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:32 pm

Just utterly hilarious anyone would claim BG is superior to IB in any way. BG maybe has the DPS advantage slightly, but my god. BG is such a **** joke of a class compared to IB. You must realize this. The parry/initiative buff alone is bananas bonkers. Then put the %10 crit on top and come on. Be real.
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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#15 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:21 am

Fey wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:32 pm
Just utterly hilarious anyone would claim BG is superior to IB in any way. BG maybe has the DPS advantage slightly, but my god. BG is such a **** joke of a class compared to IB. You must realize this. The parry/initiative buff alone is bananas bonkers. Then put the %10 crit on top and come on. Be real.
The thread is about 2H potential, and I agree that BG is superior to all others except the SM in 2h wielding. The class simply synergies well with 2h weapons, while IB does with Shield and Hammer.
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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#16 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:26 pm

kmark101 wrote:
Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:32 pm
Wow BG is so much more powerful than its "mirror" it's not even a competition... it's like mixed knight survivablity and IB's damage into one class and buff it by 100%... and people wondering why Order lacks tanks...
People usually claim that the BG is far too weak in comparison to IB. The IB gets loads of bonuses making it very hard to kill.

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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#17 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 2:30 pm

2H BG and IB are both very, very potent classes that are entirely viable (mandatory, in some instances). Anyone saying otherwise just hasn't played the class properly.
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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#18 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:27 pm

@OP, I feel 50% parry at 100 hate is too low. You want to invest more in that. Above 65% imo.
As for stats, big wounds (close to 9k or more helps a lot). Then drop crit chance. In the end with good gear and talis, no need to invest in strength or thoughness. I could run basically wounds/resist talis in good gear and still reach 550-650 strength/toughness. Which always was enough.

For the rest, I haven't played in a long time, but I feel the discrepancy felt between 2H BG and 2H IB is simple :

Ib is a do it all kinda tank, 2H, it has only 1 real useful spec.
BG is a specialist tank, you chose : spec A or spec B. There is no middle ground.

So of course, a BG offensively spec is better than IB at that.
A BG defensively spec is better than IB at that.
But its never better at both. And it never looks remotely as good.
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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#19 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:34 am

My last rr spec, still with def ability spec, is 60% parry and 70% disrupt at 100% hate, with buffs up and disrupt and parry tatics slotted ofc. I reach 819 str and ~900 toughness with pots and buffs up, wich is pretty good I think. I runned something like 70% parry but that feels like a waste, most mdps are going to hit you from beyond or not focus at all, so parry is mostly for guard mitigation.

Speaking about gear: I feel like oppressor is inferior to dominator :/ dowgraded equip in order to slot 5 dom / 3 beastlord / 3 genesis warrior, because that raw +30% damage from the taunt proc is really huge. What do you think about?
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Re: Off and def 2H BG

Post#20 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:55 am

IB exel more than bg when paired with other hard to cleanse class for dok, imo are just different tank , you cant compere em at all, it's more easy compare a 2h kobs with a 2h bg...

@op the bg buil for 2h is pretty simple, if you wanna go rvr slot 4x def tactic
-rugged(when sovereign will be out swap this for wounds debuff)
-toughness%
-malekit bulwark
-parry

if you go off for sc, it's build dependant if you go mid or right mastery as seconbdary mastery. Just the aim should be arrive at 50% parry pre vanquisher proc which is a must if you play a off bg. For weapon either subjugator for speed proc or def one from epic quest/BB-BE (it stack with vanquisher). And in whatever build ignore right mastery self heal.
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