[DE] Bathing in Blood refresh

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Vayra
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[DE] Bathing in Blood refresh

Post#1 » Sun Mar 25, 2018 11:20 pm

This tactic provides a small 9s hot on kills with the first tick after 3s. Mainly used in PvE and could be useful for Sorcs and BGs for leveling or PvE farming but is currently very underwhelming.

The issue:
The first tick of the hot is after 3 seconds, any kills before this resets the timer to 9s and results in no healing until you go 3 seconds without a kill. For example, if you have 3 mobs on you and you kill 1, then 2 seconds later you kill another you will refresh the buff and have not received any healing yet. If you then 3s later kill the last one you get 1 tick of healing before the reset. Ideally you should not lose out on healing because you kill mobs too close to each other.

Solution 1:
[/color]Make the first tick happen instantly, can reduce duration to 6s to compensate if getting 1 extra tick is considered too strong. This would let you get some more healing in for a bit of sustain to reduce the downtime while waiting for hp regen after backlashes + mob damage.

Solution 2:
Allow it to stack with itself a couple of times, refreshing the oldest first. This would give you some more healing and make it less likely that you get refreshes before getting healed.

Solution 3:
Do not allow it to refresh. This would guarantee the healing.

I would prefer solution 1 as it is the simplest change and turns an otherwise really bad tactic into something situationally useful for PvE.
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Re: [DE] Bathing in Blood refresh

Post#2 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 12:42 am

Open for discussion. Will be locked in TWO WEEKS from now (21st April).

I am personally a fan of Solution 1, and feel that giving an initial tick would more than suffice, alleviating the issues of stacking BiB which, ultimately, results in 0 heals (akin to Wrath WP's Guilty Soul which, pre-change, was resetting upon every crit, dealing no damage).

If deemed too powerful (I can see Sorc AoEing a bunch of mobs and gaining a constant stream of health considered a bit OTT), it could even be given a 1/2 second ICD? From a lore perspective, solution 1 would function similarly to the Shadow Warrior variant (Blood-Soaked War).
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Re: [DE] Bathing in Blood refresh

Post#3 » Sun Apr 08, 2018 2:46 am

I think it would be interesting to see a healing ability that stacked three times as we know many damaging abilities function. With the current health ticks I can hardly see it overpowered when stacked. Furthermore as it is tied to a tactic and kills it is much harder to control and stack as a matter of course. Might be a good mechanism to test out stacked heal ticks.
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Re: [DE] Bathing in Blood refresh [Close Date Apr 21]

Post#4 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:59 pm

I agree with solution 1 for all the reasons peter mentioned but would further like to add that any changes made to BiB should be applied to Last Rites as well, the lvl 33 Witch Hunter tactic that functions in the same manner.

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Re: [DE] Bathing in Blood refresh [Close Date Apr 21]

Post#5 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 6:50 pm

alphaonezero10 wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:59 pm
I agree with solution 1 for all the reasons peter mentioned but would further like to add that any changes made to BiB should be applied to Last Rites as well, the lvl 33 Witch Hunter tactic that functions in the same manner.
Seems fair to me.
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Re: [DE] Bathing in Blood refresh [Close Date Apr 21]

Post#6 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:22 pm

I like solution 2, make it stackable three times and remove it's chance to crit, as sorcs clearly have an advantage regarding that given their mechanic.
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Re: [DE] Bathing in Blood refresh [Close Date Apr 21]

Post#7 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 8:24 pm

Also, as a core racial tactic I don't think it should be extended to WH. I could be wrong; it's just like, my opinion man.

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Re: [DE] Bathing in Blood refresh [Close Date Apr 21]

Post#8 » Sat Apr 21, 2018 4:33 pm

Thanks. Cheers. Danielsan. Locking
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