[Swordmaster] Forceful Shock

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CytheX
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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#41 » Fri May 04, 2018 8:44 pm

I say than in exchange for the shock damage from BS u get a good punt but only in snb? I don like the idea but still better than cracefull strike as istapunt

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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#42 » Fri May 04, 2018 9:01 pm

SM IS Blurring Shock. It is literally the core-est of core abilities for SM. You cannot remove BS without breaking the entire class. Additionally, the idea is to incentivize for people to actually use SnB SM. Superior positioning capabilities will do that, and Graceful Strike is the ONLY ability in a position where it will not screw up other builds if it is modified to require a shield and tie the tactic to it.

Sprak
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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#43 » Fri May 04, 2018 10:24 pm

I think the issue here is the class itself.
SM's have always felt like they should be a shock troop, a hybrid between tank and dps. I've always felt the SM to be the tank that can run into the enemy, cause chaos, and effectively put an alarming amount of dps down on their targets. As such, I feel the AoE punt is 100% perfect for the SM. ST punt just doesn't feel like it would fit the mold, and I would hate to see every tank become a slightly varied version of all the others.
As much as I would love ST mega punting people across maps and zones, I think SM's should go a different way.

CytheX
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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#44 » Fri May 04, 2018 10:37 pm

Basically what Sprak said.

Mystry
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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#45 » Fri May 04, 2018 11:08 pm

Sprak wrote:
Fri May 04, 2018 10:24 pm
I think the issue here is the class itself.
SM's have always felt like they should be a shock troop, a hybrid between tank and dps. I've always felt the SM to be the tank that can run into the enemy, cause chaos, and effectively put an alarming amount of dps down on their targets. As such, I feel the AoE punt is 100% perfect for the SM. ST punt just doesn't feel like it would fit the mold, and I would hate to see every tank become a slightly varied version of all the others.
As much as I would love ST mega punting people across maps and zones, I think SM's should go a different way.
The problem is that one of the fundamental properties of tanks, one of the key roles of being a tank, is to control the enemy. SM has no efficient way of separating guarded targets from their tanks, and every other tank does. All the 'chaos and disorder' is ultimately pointless because of the strength of healing in this game; to outpace the healing output of a single healer you need MULTIPLE DPS, making focusing targets one at a time majorly important.

And SM is the only tank in the game who cannot punt away a tank to facilitate that.

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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#46 » Fri May 04, 2018 11:21 pm

I personally would simply just like the ST punt tied to another ability than Blurring Shock via tactic. SM doesn't need a base punt, but for the purpose of small scale (where the SM shines much brighter than in orvr), it is lacking efficient cc tools that you can obtain by choice. Yes, you get a ST punt, but it's tied to an ability that makes it counterintuitive.
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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#47 » Sat May 05, 2018 12:04 am

Mystry wrote:
Fri Apr 27, 2018 7:37 am
  • Change Graceful Strike to require a Shield.
  • Change the Forceful Shock talent to apply its knockback to Graceful Strike instead of Blurred Shock.

I agree with these suggestions, and believe they would benefit the class.

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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#48 » Sat May 05, 2018 5:04 am

1. Why SM need ST punt?
to answer this you need second question.
2. Why SM have AoE punt?
to answer this you need third question.
3. Why 3tanks have different punts and tactics?

then you'll get some insight of tanks CC.
and role of each tanks among tank role.

I don't have it yet, only got SM/BG 40+.
I know they're selfish tanks. with it they are good at vanguard. they have tools for it.
I assume other tanks have bodyguard role or buffer/debuffer or all around.
well, all tanks can do all of these but little easier or better for their role.
It's just my opinion.

so, I think you're touching things you don't fully understand.( me neither )
SM with ST punt, good, nice. but why.
all i saw was 'because SM sux'.
anything else?

maybe all tanks have all CC, you want this?
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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#49 » Sat May 05, 2018 6:27 am

anarchypark wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 5:04 am
1. Why SM need ST punt?
to answer this you need second question.
2. Why SM have AoE punt?
to answer this you need third question.
3. Why 3tanks have different punts and tactics?

then you'll get some insight of tanks CC.
and role of each tanks among tank role.

I don't have it yet, only got SM/BG 40+.
I know they're selfish tanks. with it they are good at vanguard. they have tools for it.
I assume other tanks have bodyguard role or buffer/debuffer or all around.
well, all tanks can do all of these but little easier or better for their role.
It's just my opinion.

so, I think you're touching things you don't fully understand.( me neither )
SM with ST punt, good, nice. but why.
all i saw was 'because SM sux'.
anything else?

maybe all tanks have all CC, you want this?
BG is not a selfish tank (has incredible buff/debuff potential) and has some of the best cc in game (5s kd, longest punt).
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Re: [Swordmaster] Forceful Shock [Close Date: 12th May]

Post#50 » Sat May 05, 2018 3:24 pm

dansari wrote:
Sat May 05, 2018 6:27 am

BG is not a selfish tank (has incredible buff/debuff potential) and has some of the best cc in game (5s kd, longest punt).
yea maybe i did too much simplification.
BG can do buff/debuff/bodyguard/vanguard according to spec.
well, after some thought I think every tanks can do every tank roles with right spec.
how big is the gap, that metters.
also, player's skill could fill the gap.

playstyle comes first, over classes.
( in case of tank )

maximizing certain spec and everyone follow it is not a way to balance class.

unfortunately most proposals tend to maximize something.

my 2cent, sry for derail.
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