2h
Chosen 2x tactics (out +15%, in +10% on crit /10s)
BG 1x ability + 1x tactic (in +10%, out +15% on hate / 5s)
Better for 2h BG since it does not req 2 slots. Easier to time burst with on hate vs on crit (random).
1h
Chosen tactic in +10% on crit /10s
BG tactic out +15% on hate /5s
So 1h BG actually has mooooar and easier to time burst. (One could argue inc is better and I agree.)
(BO 2h/1h has 10% on average (12% if you skip plans) and a crit damage tac)
E: Blast wave isn’t a shabby backup for wounds debuff
[BG] Filled with Fury
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Re: [BG] Filled with Fury [Close Date Apr 21]
daniilpb wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:08 am Solution number 1 looks like simple QoL change. Personally, I’ve never had trouble with keeping this tactic up. It may make it a bit more easier so why not.
Solution number 2 may help the class a bit more. Since the best dps tank in the game is SM, thanks to Spiritual damage, Blurring Shock and Wall of Darting Steel, destro dps tanks (currently, it is 2h BG) should deal really good physical damage to compete. +5% crit chance increase is not a big deal but may help with the situation.
But I see no situation where that would be needed, considering the fact that BG already outshine SM in everything but Damage.
If BG is behind SM on dmg (if), then I see no problem with that since the class already has tons more selling points to counter-balance that.
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As a BG and SM player I doubt it.michela89 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:12 pmdaniilpb wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:08 am Solution number 1 looks like simple QoL change. Personally, I’ve never had trouble with keeping this tactic up. It may make it a bit more easier so why not.
Solution number 2 may help the class a bit more. Since the best dps tank in the game is SM, thanks to Spiritual damage, Blurring Shock and Wall of Darting Steel, destro dps tanks (currently, it is 2h BG) should deal really good physical damage to compete. +5% crit chance increase is not a big deal but may help with the situation.
But I see no situation where that would be needed, considering the fact that BG already outshine SM in everything but Damage.It's literally everything a SM bring to the table aside some RNG based stat debuff.
SM boosts his group much better. BG has good debuffs but it doesn’t matter if you are melting in seconds under Blurring Shock and double initiative debuff.
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Re: [BG] Filled with Fury [Close Date Apr 21]
daniilpb wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:28 pmAs a BG and SM player I doubt it.michela89 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:12 pmdaniilpb wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:08 am Solution number 1 looks like simple QoL change. Personally, I’ve never had trouble with keeping this tactic up. It may make it a bit more easier so why not.
Solution number 2 may help the class a bit more. Since the best dps tank in the game is SM, thanks to Spiritual damage, Blurring Shock and Wall of Darting Steel, destro dps tanks (currently, it is 2h BG) should deal really good physical damage to compete. +5% crit chance increase is not a big deal but may help with the situation.
But I see no situation where that would be needed, considering the fact that BG already outshine SM in everything but Damage.It's literally everything a SM bring to the table aside some RNG based stat debuff.
SM boosts his group much better. BG has good debuffs but it doesn’t matter if you are melting in seconds under Blurring Shock and double initiative debuff.
well yeah if they wanna balance the classes around a specific combo interaction between 2 classes. then yes SM has the thing going.
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SM is an essential part of any order group if you want to achieve high results.michela89 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 3:45 pm
well yeah if they wanna balance the classes around a specific combo interaction between 2 classes. then yes.
BG is not. It’s an optional pick.
Simple as that.
BG can give some extra crit for the group, drain some AP and apply out-going HD (but you will never go for healers first in small scale). Other tools can be easily outshined by other destro classes.
Pick BO as a second tank and you won’t notice much difference. Give up on SM and overall dps of your group will fall down significantly.
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The two classes also function very differently given that they're not mirrors. Let's bring it back to the tactic at hand
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Not sure if this was a joke or not... They dont even have to spend points for their crit tactic... They just have to be over 50 grudges to have a perma 15% and it takes a tactic slot just like every other tank... They actually dont even have to work for it they could literally just stand there taking damage and still reach 50 grudges.Fallenkezef wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 10:49 amDors IB get it for free?
Re: [BG] Filled with Fury [Close Date Apr 21]
Yet BGs crit have synergy with strongest wounds debuff in the game, IBs don't have thatashton007 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 12, 2018 9:45 pm Not sure if this was a joke or not... They dont even have to spend points for their crit tactic... They just have to be over 50 grudges to have a perma 15% and it takes a tactic slot just like every other tank... They actually dont even have to work for it they could literally just stand there taking damage and still reach 50 grudges.
Don't bother to blindly compare 2 tactics when the only thing you care is raw dps output
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