[WE] Finishers

[Spierron]

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Random comment is random. - ptp3

[Tesq]

Those are perfect mirrored with wh...

Yet we don't see Witch Hunter players constantly on the forums crying about how over-hurt and under-loved their class is.

They do, about aoe stuff and this is about WE not wh st, wh was used as comparison to put the balance center not too far from the right spot instead random and comparison always help in balance things out

..what is different are finisher...and class diversit in use/build meccanics.

Do you believe the two classes should be exactly the same? If Witch Elves do more opening damage but less finishing damage while Witch Hunters do less opening damage but more finishing damage, that is called balance, not persecution.

I explained it in my post, read it better they should be different , balanced and aswell finishers on we be used. Both have 2 things better than the other if finisher get make worth loose a 15% crit

-WE will use crit tactic and spam aw cuz more crit and chance to proc kiss IS THE SAME as use or not finisher.

And? Apologies, but I fail to see what the problem is here. Dating back to live Witch Elves have always predominantly been a three to four button class because in the majority of situations more were rarely required. What is being asked for here is a power-creep based on logic no more profound than because an ability is entitled a finisher it should actually finish.

Power creep logic? Use a finisher reset the mec points and you need again 5 gcd to rebuild the whole thing thus is critical choice and trade off cuz your action have conseguence of your next 5 seconds of dmg

Well if that is all it takes then Swordmasters should always be the best sword-wielding class in any fight because, you know, sword "master."

Not relevant....

[Ummagumma]

Having read through the posts, I would like to make a suggestion:

-Bring kisses off Global Cooldown Time
-Add an additional effect to using Bloodlust: For every point of Bloodlust spent gain +3% chance for kisses to proc.

Benefits

-It doesn't change the nature of WE and WH as they're built (WH still have more defense with core parry tactic and Repel Blasphemy along with more powerful finishers and WE will do more damage leading up to a weaker finisher.
-It provides a reason to use a finsher, while at the same time...
-It doesn't make finishers more powerful
-Because kisses proc more often the kisses debuff will be on an enemy more reliably. This is beneficial to a group (lower initiative=better crit chance for group; 50% less outgoing healing=easier for group to kill healer; draining ap=enemy can't use as many abilities making them weaker)

[tionblack]

Remove GCD from WB.

Pretty much this.Very very very good idea.

[Spierron]

@Torquemadra if u can confirm about Witchbrew isn't a bug,
not affected by self abilities Kotbs>Vigilance RP>Grimnir's Shield.

[vouzou]

As i have said in the past the WE probem was the overperforming at the launch of the game. Unmitigated kisses tha could crit and out of GCD could easily kill anything. The dmg WE had on live was from kisses mostly and finishers last. The oposite of WH as some of you say here. After mythic realised what they did to WE they destroy the class with one simple think. Nerf kisses to the ground. I believe that the main issue here isn't finishers but kisses. Kisses need to change a bit. So either remove GCD, or make them crit or make them unmitigated.

[Aurandilaz]

Considering how random the luck with Kiss procs can be, I'd say remove their internal CD. You might get 2 in one sec, or you might get 0 over 5 secs. Praise be RNGesus. Maybe that will make more people consider SS spec instead of the usual WB or AW spam.
And not sure if too OP, what if OYK/(DragonGun) both were 4 sec KD? Surely that would also improve that as a finisher option. Or tie it to mechanic points. 4 sec with 5 BL, 3.5 with 4 BL, 3sec with 3 BL, and maybe either retain 3 sec as bottom cap or not, because 2.5 sec with 2 BL becomes meh, and possible 1 finisher point giving 2 sec KD is like toe hitting pebble and then target already moving on.

However this still doesnt answer that Puncture remains as meh as it gets compared to all the speccable finishers. What if Puncture guaranteed Kiss proc, or the ability ignored target toughness? You have WB for Corp dmg, AW for armor ignore dmg, and then you would get Puncture as toughness ignore dmg? Obviously would not help against people with already limited toughness, but it would possibly widen the available arsenal that WE has. Maybe Abso could perform same function, not sure.

[Spierron]

Kiss of Betrayal didn't have icd, only Kiss of Agony/Death.

If Puncture ignore toughness u can destroy all class(tank def included) easily with EOIP+2 Puncture*5BL

[shebali]

A lot of good ideas, but I think the question needs to be do the Dev want an easy fix or something long term.

All 3 top level finishers are lacking and can be fixed easily.

On Your Knees should go back to aoe KD. It was nerfed along with 4 different things with witch elves in 1.2 patch and it was not needed.

Reason: an AOE KD is not terrible is people will get immunity and WE burt is not enough to kill someone in 2 seconds as the best burst they have is about 1.2k DPS right now. I feel utility is better than a small damage buff to OYK.

Witches Brew I fee the best use of this item is the removal of the ICD.
Reason: The move only hits for 400-500 per attack for 6 attacks at full blood lust which is 2600 ish damage. It takes around 8 seconds to be able to use this move which is a slow build time for the damage, but it is all burst damage which is good. The move would be useful and not OP as targets would not be killed in 3-4 seconds and you are rewarded for the almost 10 seconds it takes to build to use this. If they don't wan't to remove the ICD making the damage 600-700 with a 1 second ICD could be ok.


Sacrificial Stab should ignore all armor along with a small damage buff.

Reason: This move has a positional requirement on so can only be used from behind so it could not be spammed. Making it ignore armor is better than just adding a ton of damage which in turn can heal you could be be OP if it did too much damage. The damage on this move is lacking and should do the damage of high end tree skill, 800-900 non crit would be a good target you would do 2200 ish damage and healing on crit.

[Spierron]

What would you be willing to sacrifice to increase the damage on the finisher ? Remember that all Finishers has 30ft range, 0/8/10cd also witchbrew has 60s duration.

Remove GCD from WB.

Pretty much this.Very very very good idea.

If the duration goes down to 10s and maybe the cd to 15s, would be great