Azarael wrote:Well, on one hand I've got people saying that gcleanse is necessary to stop an abundance of damage, on the other hand I've got AM/Shaman being the only healer without a significant cleanse tactic, then somewhere in the middle we have analyses that assume they have worked out how a theoretical DoK/Sham / WP/AM group is going to play while considering things from the WP/RP / DoK/Ze / DoK/DoK meta and people are using that as arguments against AM/Shaman having gcleanse... you'll have to forgive me if I'm not entirely sure where to go from here.
My instinct is to implement either 1b) or 4) on WP/DoK, trash CW II and CW III (wish I'd never implemented them), bring K'W down somehow (possibly limit number of debuffs it can cleanse at once) and give AM/Shaman an AoE cleanse linked to the tactic, with a higher cooldown when slotted. No doubt many will disagree.
Going with 1b would leave group cleanse pretty much "as is" which I personally find a bit ironic considering previous posts.
Looking at "solution 4", this will mainly affect kiting a larger force as group cleanse is spammed every 5s as a "heal".
When your side is pushing or static you have the option to heal/gheal instead of cleansing so a CD won't affect this really, a part from being harder on resources.
GC'/IE on group.
A very reasonable change especially if the hot is group wide and all other healers except AM/SH have group hots.
The only "snag" is making those tactics mandatory just like dok/wp versions. For healing AM/Shams it is a QOL improvement regardless. (An alternative to adding more group cleanse spam could be to reduce the CDs on GC/IE for a more potent ST cleanse. Would be very potent with the stacking of hots).
If you decide to nerf K'W you shift the realm balance. Order healers have a "base" +10% heal crit and an incoming +15% heals on focused target. There are no mirrors for these and there are also several other less common un mirrored heal increasers on order side.
Handling K'W proposal in a seperate thread would be much more appropriate and avoid doing all at once.