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Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:07 pm
by Xavory
dansari wrote:
Martok wrote:Agreed. It really would be interesting to know the genesis of the original complaint which set all of this in motion.
Tri-stacking WoH, HB, and knight aura


Unless something has changed in the last 60-90 days to allow it, HB,WOH and the KOBTS Aura's do NOT triple stack: We tested this very thoroughly. HB stacks with whichever Debuff is greater between WoH and the Knight Aura. If they ARE currently tri-stacking, thats new.

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:11 pm
by Eathisword
GodlessCrom wrote:Volgo is getting saucy in his old age.

Just as dwarves do :D
You better mean it in an N-American kinda saucy... You know... hot and smart-looking :lol:

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:13 pm
by GodlessCrom
...always thought it meant the same as sassy. :(

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:18 pm
by Zintair
What if heavens blade took the place of blessing of heaven?

So anyone who has heavens blade procd on them your group would heal when you damage them. And then you can change blessing of heaven tactic to something better as it seems not so great for such a high tactic anyway. Was considering posting it in haojins useless tactics thread. But also haven't slotted it yet either so unsure how often that heal procs.

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:20 pm
by Valfaros
Couldn't read all but since you are searching for ideas here are some:

1. Make it proc a "free cast" so you can use the next ability regardless of which balance it needs. Instead it could also be just no AP cost.

2. Add % based moral gain either for grp or the sm only/could also be on hit

3. Proc movement speed until you attack

4. Proc ability interrupt

5. Proc 1 time only cast extender

6. Proc shatter buff, either specific or regarless of what kind it is.

That's all I could quickly think of

For all of these I could think of a "require shield" since shield 2h SM seems to be perfeclty fine as it is and shield SM fairly rare. All of these could if too strong have a internal cooldown.

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:21 pm
by dansari
Xavory wrote:
dansari wrote:
Martok wrote:Agreed. It really would be interesting to know the genesis of the original complaint which set all of this in motion.
Tri-stacking WoH, HB, and knight aura
Unless something has changed in the last 60-90 days to allow it, HB,WOH and the KOBTS Aura's do NOT triple stack: We tested this very thoroughly. HB stacks with whichever Debuff is greater between WoH and the Knight Aura. If they ARE currently tri-stacking, thats new.
They are/do. I can upload screenshot evidence later today

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:04 pm
by Klesko
All proposals operate under the assumption that the blade enchantment maintains the 25% chance on hit to proc...

Proposal 1: Strike your target for X spirit damage (reasonable value might lie somewhere between 300-600 (100-250 on AoE abilities)) This would operate somewhat similarly to the BW buff (Flames of Rhuin) but would be self only and so the values should reflect that.

Proposal 2: The proc-ing strike deals 50% more damage, converted to spirit damage if it wasn't a spirit attack. Additionally, the Sword Master's defensive target is healed for half the damage dealt.

Proposal 3: The proc provides a 5s buff that is consumed on the SM's next strike. Next strike is undefendable (parry/block are ignored) and heals all groupmates within 30ft of the SM for the value of the damage dealt.

Proposal 4: Remove a single hex/ailment/curse/taunt/challenge from the SM or the SM's defensive target. The SM gains a brief burst of speed (20%?) for 2s if Heaven's Blade proc is unable to remove a detrimental effect. (ICD of a minimum 4s on this one. AoE unable to proc this effect except for a proc check on primary target)

Proposal 5: The proc provides a 10s buff on the SM. The SM receives 5% less damage from all sources, receives 10% more healing from all sources, and the SM lashes out at anyone dealing a critical blow to the SM for 20% of the damaging attack (before the SM's defenses reduced the damage) as spirit damage.

Proposal 6: Heaven's Blade Debuff placed on an enemy refreshes all dots currently on them to full duration. All damage dealt from dots (from all sources) are amplified by 10% on a debuffed enemy. Heaven's Blade has a 10s duration, and can not be refreshed by the SM, but another SM could place their own HB debuff on the enemy, refreshing all dots once more, and adding an additional 10% amplification effect.

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:44 pm
by Tesq
Zintair wrote:What if heavens blade took the place of blessing of heaven?

So anyone who has heavens blade procd on them your group would heal when you damage them. And then you can change blessing of heaven tactic to something better as it seems not so great for such a high tactic anyway. Was considering posting it in haojins useless tactics thread. But also haven't slotted it yet either so unsure how often that heal procs.
this seems also nice but dont very much potent/usefull some may disagree

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:47 pm
by shaggyboomboom
Spoiler:
Make it delete premades from the game or make it a 5% chance to force someone into a 6v6!

Warning issued

Re: Heaven's Blade

Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:50 pm
by Elemint
Xavory wrote:
dansari wrote:
Martok wrote:Agreed. It really would be interesting to know the genesis of the original complaint which set all of this in motion.
Tri-stacking WoH, HB, and knight aura


Unless something has changed in the last 60-90 days to allow it, HB,WOH and the KOBTS Aura's do NOT triple stack: We tested this very thoroughly. HB stacks with whichever Debuff is greater between WoH and the Knight Aura. If they ARE currently tri-stacking, thats new.
They do for sure, we just tested it