Client Changelog 04/08/2018

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Re: Client Changelog 04/08/2018

Post#181 » Thu Aug 09, 2018 8:13 am

Azarael wrote:
Mon Aug 06, 2018 4:20 pm
Melee SW and SH have never had other MDPS archetype tactics, however. Close Combat is defined as an archetype tactic.

I see. I didn't know this tactic was defined so. I thought it was just something the Powers had come up with. I didn't understand the scope. Thanks for replying.

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Grock
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Re: Client Changelog 04/08/2018

Post#182 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:30 pm

I'm pretty disappointed with slayer changes.

Complete rework of Retribution without any attempt to make it work in its original concept. We just had a discussion on balance forums about it and apparently none of that was taken into consideration.

Azarael wrote:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 8:54 am
To deal with Slayer, first we have to cut out the rot - that being that Skavenslayer is competitive or better ST DPS than the other trees.
Thats not what you did.
The only reason Skaven is competitive on ST damage is ID - the fact that it is one of only two DoT effects and is a superior one - due to its ridiculous scaling(especially with weapon damage), and the fact that i can proc on hit effects when its ticks.
Get rid of that and Skaven ST is fixed, no need to butcher the class.

Removal of Rampage from dw/aoe builds will change nothing in terms of dw vs 2h viability, dw is still superior because parry and ID, meanwhile with strikethough changes, including new RR ability, the value of Rampage has been lowered to begin with.

If you wanted to make 2h more viable you could've got rid of meaningless hidden passives or gave 2h something better than useless block strikethrough. Or removed dw requirement from skaven tree.

Putting up even more weapon restrictions on a class that already has like the most of all doesn't sound exciting at all.

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Re: Client Changelog 04/08/2018

Post#183 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:51 pm

I always dread reading a response to a changelog if I see someone using the avatar of a class I changed.

So. Rampage is on the revert list, actually, and ID is up for change. That will be delayed, because I won't change ID without improving 2h, and I can't do that without a client patch. It would have been done this week, but we have staff members on holiday.

Saying that "no attempt was made to make Retribution play to its original concept" is completely unfair, though. Original Retribution struck back at players who attacked you. New Retribution improves when you're under attack. Both skills, conceptually, punish the enemy for attacking you.

Being as how I've been back less than a month, I wasn't aware there was any topic on Retribution and I'm not beholden to implement suggestions on it even if there were.

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Re: Client Changelog 04/08/2018

Post#184 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:05 pm

Azarael wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:51 pm
I always dread reading a response to a changelog if I see someone using the avatar of a class I changed.

So. Rampage is on the revert list, actually, and ID is up for change. That will be delayed, because I won't change ID without improving 2h, and I can't do that without a client patch. It would have been done this week, but we have staff members on holiday.

Saying that "no attempt was made to make Retribution play to its original concept" is completely unfair, though. Original Retribution struck back at players who attacked you. New Retribution improves when you're under attack. Both skills, conceptually, punish the enemy for attacking you.

Being as how I've been back less than a month, I wasn't aware there was any topic on Retribution and I'm not beholden to implement suggestions on it even if there were.
I strongly encourage you, to at least look at those briefly when you'll be bored Aza, there are quite a few good ideas out there that address the issues of the class:
viewtopic.php?f=100&t=26167

viewtopic.php?f=101&t=21311

viewtopic.php?f=100&t=25504

viewtopic.php?f=97&t=22974

viewtopic.php?f=101&t=22855
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oaliaen
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Re: Client Changelog 04/08/2018

Post#185 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:56 pm

About eh Git to the Choppa: Sometimes the bar cast desappears when you get hit by someone, but the skill keeps going on. Unique way to fix that is reloging.

Roguibu
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Re: Client Changelog 04/08/2018

Post#186 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:30 pm

oaliaen wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 1:56 pm
About eh Git to the Choppa: Sometimes the bar cast desappears when you get hit by someone, but the skill keeps going on. Unique way to fix that is reloging.
This also happen to me in my magus when I cast the whirlwind aoe and in my chosen with the channeled skill. Sry I don't remember the names of the skills :P

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Grock
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Re: Client Changelog 04/08/2018

Post#187 » Fri Aug 17, 2018 12:11 pm

Azarael wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:51 pm
I always dread reading a response to a changelog if I see someone using the avatar of a class I changed.
Don't take it too seriously, someone will always be pissed at something, its inevitable in our day and age
Azarael wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:51 pm
Saying that "no attempt was made to make Retribution play to its original concept" is completely unfair, though. Original Retribution struck back at players who attacked you. New Retribution improves when you're under attack. Both skills, conceptually, punish the enemy for attacking you.
I personally liked the concept of it working as aggressive defence - if enemy stops attacking nobody's hurt, but if they continue to push they are punished and forced into a trade, it was supposed to be kind of a mind game

Anyway im very happy that Slayer/Choppa are finally getting some attention and changes

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