Bozzax wrote:Not playing BG atm but I think a common misstake is trying to use all abilities in a mega rotation. You only have gcd issues if you use a lot of worthless abilities.
Think of it in smaller sequences with a purpose teamed with stuff that makes sense. Don't spam **** most debuffs/buffs don't win and look at the tactics. If you have one that makes you crit more when you spend hate use a hate spending ability pref every 5s so you get high uptime and always before EB.
Do try out the available hate builders and hate building tactics if you have problems keeping hate up.
Oh I completely agree. I tried to give disclosure on this.. For example though, say you are 2H. In order to get Filled with Fury BEFORE using CD - you need to spend hate 2x now. So even if you just popped Shield of Rage then CD, you spent 45 hate. Now your Punt turns into a "medium" punt. Your armor debuff is only a base of 400 now... Which is kinda pointless to use then, etc. etc.
Also, if you arent using a "mega rotation" then you are not bringing to the table all your buffs/debuffs that the other tanks (KOBS/Chosen/SM/BO) can... One of the issues I see is the BG reliance on E.B. or NSP to generate hate.. which wastes "time". So while a SM can cycle through 1 full rotation (Normal Balance -> Perfect Balance) you spent that same time doing zero group benefits, zero utility, and merely generating hate so you CAN spend another 3 GCDs, to try and bring utility (such as armor debuff, CD, FH).... Which puts you BACK in the same spot as before -> now spending 3 GCDs in E.B. generating hate cause you just dropped 60 on 2 abilities. Where as during those same GCDs, the SM is buffing/debuffing/Slowing/Bubbling himself/ AoE resist debuff etc...
Also another POINT I want to point out about your comment, is you spent hate, then spend 3 sec in EB... Like you said... Well thats 4 GCDs... and now your CD, or FH is basically "halfway done" and you no longer even have the added crit anylonger...
Point being: it would ALMOST be as if a bunch of SM abilities were all moved to perfect balance, AND rather than 1 ability moving you to the next stance it took two... So it now took you 6 abilities to get to perfect balance, which you could then use 1-2 KEY abilities and restart your "rotation build up" all over again.
I dont want to derail the thread. I am merely trying to point out the funamental flaw with BG and why it, and IB, will always be a "lower tier tank" than the other ones... Mainly because Chosen/Knight/BO/SM dont have to spend as many GCDs to SOME of their buffs/debuffs and have easier "access" to their BEST abilities.
What I think COULD be interesting... is if Hate SCALERS were seen as almost the "Improved" Stance equivalent... So rather than it scaling with hate up to a HIGH hate threshold... It would have like 3 tiers of Hate scaling... Something LIKE (to use Horrific Wound as an example):
No hate- 400 debuff
25+ hate- 600 debuff
50+ hate - 800 debuff
Because NOW you can start to build "rotations" where you use NON HATE related stuff (Normal Stance) -> Hate Scalers (Improved Stance) -> Hate Spenders (Perfect Stance)
Also I would remove the "hate generation" from E.B. as well as NSP but provide something LIKE: 10 per hit and 10 for being hit (from 5). (So a move like EB would be used more for the damage it provides than utility - as a finisher kinda like SM's E.D. but not as good).
This would provide more "dynamic" move across the hate scale. When high hate, you spend it, when medium hate, you use your scalers... When low hate, you do non hate related stuff. WITHOUT having to spend time in E.B. to "get hate"....
Its not fully fleshed out ill admit... but it would be interesting.....