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Re: genesis farming is nightmare

Post#41 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:59 am

Is it possible to make exchange possible for the the same genesis jewel, at vendor ?

They are three differents genesis set possible for tank and I just made two mistake.
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Re: genesis farming is nightmare

Post#42 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:18 am

You want genesis set from RvR? Stop slacking and contribute to the zone :) all the info required for contributing to lakes is here (taken from wiki)

The RoR development team released the contributing factors to what increases the player bag rolls for loot in RvR. The list is as follows:
In and out of party reviving & healing
Triggering Guard damage
Killing the keep lord
Capturing, defending, and fighting on Battlefield Objectives (BOs)
Killing players (solo or in a group)
Killing/damaging siege equipment
Damaging keep doors
Avoiding cross realming
Returning & assisting with supplies
Claiming a keep
Participating in guild investment

if you are doing this you are increasing your roll chances and you can get a blue bag very easy.
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Re: genesis farming is nightmare

Post#43 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:34 pm

Look more carefully before you press BUY or activate buy-warning. We all had to learn it the hard way.
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Re: genesis farming is nightmare

Post#44 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 12:40 pm

I know your feelings guys, I play my wp since 3 years and I haven’t get the renmant genesis yet.
I hope devs will put npc merchant like subjugator’s.
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Re: genesis farming is nightmare

Post#45 » Mon Aug 12, 2019 1:05 pm

3904 e time thank you.
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Re: genesis farming is nightmare

Post#46 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 8:02 pm

So, in the interest of providing data, here is an actual breakdown of how likely and how long it is to get all 5 different blue bags in order to obtain a full genesis set. Note: I am not trying to take a side in this either way but it seems that everyone has a different idea about how long it *should* take and wanted to present the actual probabilities.

As it stands, assuming that the distribution of blue bag contents is in fact random (and independent) between the five different items there should be a 20% chance of getting any kind of bag for each time someone wins a blue bag. There are 3,125 different combinations of bag draws in any order (N^N=5^5 = 5*5*5*5*5= 3,125). Only 120 of those is a permutation containing exactly one type of each bag (N!=5!=5*4*3*2*1= 120). Therefore, it is actually very rare (120/3125 or 3.84% to be exact) that someone gets all five bag types on the first 5 draws. In fact the most common result (48%) would be someone getting 3 types of bags with two duplicates and 5 poor souls (0.16%) would get 5 of the same bag. See table below (forgive the spacing i couldnt upload a nicer table.)

# items...Freq.......Pct.......CumPct
1.............5........0.16%......0.16%
2..........300.........9.6%......9.76%
3.........1500.......48.0%.....57.76%
4.........1200.......38.4%.....96.16%
5..........120.......3.84%.....100.0%

So, yes it is very hard to get all 5 bags in the first 5 tries. But here is the proportion of people who would be expected to get 5 different bags after 5 to 20 tries (note the math gets considerably more complex after that so the values after 13 draws are actually estimates but should be pretty good and before that is exact %).

bags Pct
< 5.....0
5.......0.0384
6.......0.1152
7.......0.215
8.......0.322
9.......0.427
10.....0.5225
11.....0.606
12.....0.678
13.....0.7424
14.....0.79392
15.....0.835136
16.....0.8681088
17.....0.89448704
18.....0.915589632
19.....0.932471706
20.....0.945977364

So its actually not until 10 blue bags that one can expect to see better than a 50% chance overall of having gotten all 5 bags. After 20 bags 5% of people are not expected to have all 5 either. Given the fact that these are all BLUE bags, meaning you contributed and your blue bonus is higher than the other 4 bonuses, it might not be unreasonable to expect that some of these tales of people going through more than 100 keeps without completing the set are true.

Again, I'm not grinding anyone's axe (except in game), but just wanted to present the number so that everyone can see what to expect under the current system.

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Re: genesis farming is nightmare

Post#47 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:57 am

What if...

... there was a vendor like the Subjugator trade guy (maybe even the same NPC) where you can trade in one Genesis piece for one of a currency. Three of that currency grants you the ability to buy a Genesis piece you like to have. Still a lot of effort needed to get the full set, but in game of RNGesus hating you, you still have a chance of getting it done.
--> 3 unwanted/duplicate pieces == 1 needed piece
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