Changes to Oil for keep defense

[Asderas27]

Is there anyway to make it so that oil kills dont give you any rewards like rr, exp and medallions ? The reason i am suggesting this kind of change is because rather than use oil for strategic oil pushes to kill rams or delay siege for reinforcements to arrive people just pop them when there is barely any enemies there to get few kills and the oil is just wasted. Maybe you can increase the price of oil too. I am pretty sure people on both sides get annoyed when some random pug pops the oil when there is barely anyone there. The oil kills giving kill credit for the kill quests is fine.
Any other suggestions from people will be appreciated too.

[kinghfb]

bump

most (unorganised) people seem to be popping oil early, which can easily derail an entire evening's organised work.

my only guess is that people are doing this for the big RR ticks they get for killing. So... just removing any reward for doing so means that only organised or at least people playing "in the spirit" will be using oil.

would be good to get visibilit on this

[space44]

maybe have the guilds who claims the keep spawn oil. they claim the keep its their responsibility to place down the defenses members of the guild who claims the keep gets a oil discount and only able to place the oil that has the discount on any keep that is owned by that guild . but if the keep isnt claimed by anyone the oil could cost 20 gold but it still has the issue of a free for all when placing, if the random player places the oil and gets maybe 1 or 2 kills they just wasted 20 gold

[CountTalabecland]

Agreed. The poorly timed oil pop is the worst. A cost increase or a renown rank requirement of 70 or so would be good.

I would also like it to announce who deploys oil in the chat so that they can be properly "taught" on how to strategically use it next time. Ex. "Dumb Dumb of Order has Deployed Oil at Wilhelm's Fist."

[Dabbart]

Having a RR requirement for siege was input in the past for rams, and it totally **** NA time. This was a long time ago however, and the player base is significantly larger than it was.

I would just charge more per siege and make them all 1 time use again... Feel free to explain to the newbs why they should wait for oil, and not just flame them. Dealing with the humans on your realm is part of he ORvR campaign.

Adding a way for the guild claim to impact siege engines (offensive and defensive) would be cool though.

[Bignusty]

Maybe allow just guilds who claim the keep to use the oil to play more strategic instead of all random players using it to get at least 4 - 5 kill or nothing .

[lyncher12]

if oil didn't have that random idiot factor we would never see a keep taken again

[Dabbart]

if oil didn't have that random idiot factor we would never see a keep taken again

Same, but opposite, with Rams. The idiot factor is far more of a balancer than any class changes or population....

[VindicoAtrum]

if oil didn't have that random idiot factor we would never see a keep taken again

Ah yeah cause moving the ram when oil goes up is so difficult.

Get rid of randoms popping oil early, idiots wasting hours of effort by guilds and org wbs to defend against larger numbers is madness. I recognise some methods aren't going to work (e.g only guild claimed can pop oil -> what if all guildies leave the zone?) but randoms wasting it has to go somehow.

[Dabbart]

^^^ all this vitriole. Oil popping early is a pain, but not game breaking. Someone popping ram just cause, can breakdown the timing or success of a double zone push for 30minutes or more...