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lyncher12
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#51 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:50 pm

my only complaint is why the end game set has a worse proc than vanq or useless stats like toughness, ap, dodge, etc

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arorwne
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#52 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:04 pm

PieTreBlu wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:34 pm
havartii wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:42 am I can see how it would be frustrating for a new player. They are just fodder for everyone else who understands the game mechanics and are in bis gear. You are forced to zerg mindless hours to get anything that even resembles a competitive set. But that's the game . Take it or leave it.
True but from what I gathered it wasn't supposed to be like that (at least here on RoR). The frustration doesn't just come from "lazy" people who want to be handed their BiS for free but also from the fact that once the bolster effects wane you get thrown in the "big boys" league wearing rags and have to spend quite a while feeling completely useless (or at least not having much fun). The rift between full Sov and Conqueror is colossal, it's basically letting T2 players in the T1 lakes with no debolster. It's not the amount of work needed to reach Sov that's daunting, it's the time you'll spend having no fun while doing it. I'm not even sure being in full vanq is considered decent nowadays, you would probably have many people giving you the side-eye for queing up with that gear in solo ranked sc (but I guess that's a small niche).

I can't blame the devs though, to keep people interested in the project without having the resources to imlement new systems, you're forced to rely on old material and designs and the old game was designed to be a vertical gear treadmill ala WoW. It's a broken system long term as vertical progression systems require catch up mechanics for newbies which inevitably tend to trivialize old content and make old gear obsolete. Games like WoW reset the progression with expansions (well nowadays it's so out of control even a new patch makes the old one pointless tbh) but obviously the RoR devs don't have that luxury.

Not that horizontal progression systems don't have their own problems (massive numbers of parallel systems leading to obsolescence or information overload for newbies just to name two) but that's beside the point.
Indeed. All we need are more catch up mechanics. That way you can play more things(PvE, Scens etc) without gimping yourself. Faceroll stomp is anti PvP.

Also, about "go play x", oh that is a sound advice. For the betterment of the entire server and everyone included, I am sure. Especially in a group / population heavy game like this. :roll: . Support your game properly or don't try to "support" at all. Imo.

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Noslock
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#53 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:11 pm

Aethilmar wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:20 pm
Noslock wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:37 pm
Elendal wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:46 pm I just wanted to comment that I have two rr80+ characters now, one on both destro and order side, and that neither of them have full sovereign or warlord gear. We all know the power that these gear sets give every class. How is it that it takes past rr80 to acquire this gear? There's no way new people will want to play when they have to fight wbs that are fully geared in sov/warlord when it takes this long to get these gear sets.
With a guild who commit? I've Got 5 full sets in like 3 months (more or less maybe 4)with no life but the carrying was strong especially when i had to play a shitty heal shaman....those who prefer to have free gear should check hellokitty online game cause ror might be the wrong game for em.Now you can even get royals crests from orvr bags so it should be even easier to get stuff.
You literally just described "Hello Kitty Online" i.e. you were carried to your gear and then you have the nerve to put down people who don't have a strong guild that carries them ... :roll:
Carried on few pieces while playing a class that i never play as healer.Rest 4 set on my main tank that can probably carry you and someone else.If people wants gear they better join a guild or they can go solo farming 2 thousands bags from rvr and gettin farmed every single istance.The end results is the same (a full set) but they may enjoy the first option more than the second.And just to be clear im doin route 2 soloing on my alt and it works perfectly fine with all the crests from orvr.
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PieTreBlu
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#54 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:36 pm

lyncher12 wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:50 pm my only complaint is why the end game set has a worse proc than vanq or useless stats like toughness, ap, dodge, etc
Probably to avoid stats inflation while still making them feel like an upgrade. Though I hear (not 100% sure tbh) for some classes the Invader set is considered an actual downgrade and is only bought to unlock Sov, which definitely seem like an oversight.

Harkanor
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#55 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:15 pm

People will always need a carrot to be motivated. I doubt we'll stop at Sov. At some point new sets will get implemented then Warlord/Sow sill get cheap. Would love to see Sov weapons trough scs, would grearly revalitise it.

Sulorie
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#56 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:44 pm

Harkanor wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 7:15 pm People will always need a carrot to be motivated. I doubt we'll stop at Sov. At some point new sets will get implemented then Warlord/Sow sill get cheap. Would love to see Sov weapons trough scs, would grearly revalitise it.
Not going to happen. Sov will stay highest tier. What they will do and already did is side-progression like ranked sets and similar stuff.
Dying is no option.

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Evilest
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#57 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:14 pm

arorwne wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:53 am No. BEST gear should be difficult to obtain, GOOD gear should be readily available with just an ounce of dedication. Note: Sovereign is under "BEST" category. The goal is to allow everyone to have fun and compete. If you take the mentality of "GOOD GEAR = DIFFICULT TO OBTAIN", you simply end up in a place where the live WAR faltered: a place where few people are so vastly better than others, they simply farm them. That is bad.
Then best gear is broken for order, because it certainly it's not hard for them to get.

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Evilest
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#58 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:21 pm

CountTalabecland wrote: Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:13 am Elendal don't fight with the GMs, you will not win and there is nothing to be gained here. Assuming that you are not banned, I will post the following advice.
Given your attitude you'd fit right in with the team of GMs I've encountered so far.

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siglade
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#59 » Sat Apr 17, 2021 8:31 pm

wargrimnir wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:51 pm Those sets are the absolute last step of upward progression the game is going to feature. They are very much intended to be the last thing you complete on a character by a fair amount. If you're not comfortable with that level of grind, MMO's might not be your thing.
Can we except modifications on it at a certain time? Like rework some bonus/stat distribution.
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lyncher12
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Re: Length of time to get sov/warlord gear

Post#60 » Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:22 pm

PieTreBlu wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:36 pm
lyncher12 wrote: Sat Apr 17, 2021 2:50 pm my only complaint is why the end game set has a worse proc than vanq or useless stats like toughness, ap, dodge, etc
Probably to avoid stats inflation while still making them feel like an upgrade. Though I hear (not 100% sure tbh) for some classes the Invader set is considered an actual downgrade and is only bought to unlock Sov, which definitely seem like an oversight.
Yes and if every full Invader was on the level of Choppa/Slayer we probably wouldn't see any complaints.

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