zulnam wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 pm
I like both recommended options. Although i doubt the 2nd would be favoured among the devs, but the 33% armor decrease is too high for a playstyle that thrives on outlasting your opponent.
While i still probably wouldn't pick it on my IB thanks to many good tactics, i'd definitely give it a good go on the kotbs, who arguably has very little in terms of damage increase tactics
See if you can finetune it from other comments then make sure to post it on the "Balance Suggestions" subthread (it's the one the devs read more often since it's single posts, no pages on pages of commenting).
33% armor decrease can be gained back with a top notch armor pot.
Re: Focused Offense
Posted: Mon May 03, 2021 10:17 pm
by arorwne
zulnam wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 pm
I like both recommended options. Although i doubt the 2nd would be favoured among the devs, but the 33% armor decrease is too high for a playstyle that thrives on outlasting your opponent.
While i still probably wouldn't pick it on my IB thanks to many good tactics, i'd definitely give it a good go on the kotbs, who arguably has very little in terms of damage increase tactics
See if you can finetune it from other comments then make sure to post it on the "Balance Suggestions" subthread (it's the one the devs read more often since it's single posts, no pages on pages of commenting).
What do you think of the other suggestions in this thread?
zulnam wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 pm
I like both recommended options. Although i doubt the 2nd would be favoured among the devs, but the 33% armor decrease is too high for a playstyle that thrives on outlasting your opponent.
While i still probably wouldn't pick it on my IB thanks to many good tactics, i'd definitely give it a good go on the kotbs, who arguably has very little in terms of damage increase tactics
See if you can finetune it from other comments then make sure to post it on the "Balance Suggestions" subthread (it's the one the devs read more often since it's single posts, no pages on pages of commenting).
33% armor decrease can be gained back with a top notch armor pot.
Yes, but...does everyone have enough gold to keep those pots coming? Keep in mind, we are talking BiS ArPot here. This don't seem likely. Sure, using Perseverance / Guarded Attack / Heaven's Blade will also help, but then you're trading other things. And don't get enough back to justify that Pot / ArBuff spam. With that said, ArPot and ArBuffs don't stack, don't they? They seem like the same type / category of a buff, but you never know. Better to ask.
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Everyone, MUCH respect and thanks for your support. Even you Grimnir for replying. I appreciate it all.
Re: Focused Offense
Posted: Tue May 04, 2021 9:57 am
by Farrul
wargrimnir wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 5:08 pmThe tactic is just bad enough that people don't use it, which is where it should be. Tanks have inherent mitigation that with enough push would make them more desirable than actual melee classes. There needs to be room for both, and that means tanks don't get to play main DPS while keeping all their survivability.
I mean no disrespect, but a near useless tactic(and admitting so) is imho a problem to be fixed, not design to encourage. As for melee dps, their area of effect damage and maneuverability( primarily their role in organized, unless WH/WE stealthy) is already vastly superior compared to tanks and no meager 15% is going to change that(For reference look at BO, capable of 10%+ 10% + 25% CD and still obviously is nowhere near real melee dps performance)
It shouldn't be a problem to make FO a little more useful from a balance perspective and still keep it within balance, how about something like this : Increases dmg by 10%, armor is reduced by the same amount, 10%. Alternatively, 10%/ 5% parry reduction(meaning it would be inferior to the 10/5 on the offensive tank tree).
Personally if it was up to me, i would just add a flat 10% increase without a penalty at all, the drawback is already in the opportunity cost, as with any tactic.
zulnam wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 pm
I like both recommended options. Although i doubt the 2nd would be favoured among the devs, but the 33% armor decrease is too high for a playstyle that thrives on outlasting your opponent.
While i still probably wouldn't pick it on my IB thanks to many good tactics, i'd definitely give it a good go on the kotbs, who arguably has very little in terms of damage increase tactics
See if you can finetune it from other comments then make sure to post it on the "Balance Suggestions" subthread (it's the one the devs read more often since it's single posts, no pages on pages of commenting).
What do you think of the other suggestions in this thread?
Didn't read them mate. These days I try to to take my forum surfing in small doses. Otherwise my blood pressure starts to rise.
zulnam wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 pm
I like both recommended options. Although i doubt the 2nd would be favoured among the devs, but the 33% armor decrease is too high for a playstyle that thrives on outlasting your opponent.
While i still probably wouldn't pick it on my IB thanks to many good tactics, i'd definitely give it a good go on the kotbs, who arguably has very little in terms of damage increase tactics
See if you can finetune it from other comments then make sure to post it on the "Balance Suggestions" subthread (it's the one the devs read more often since it's single posts, no pages on pages of commenting).
33% armor decrease can be gained back with a top notch armor pot.
I guess it depends on the gear you're sporting? My knight in 2h gear has about 3900 armor. 33% of that comes to roughly 1200+. The highest pot I know goes up to 825-ish? IB is closer to 3300 IIRC so yeah, that would be closer to a pot.
zulnam wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 pm
I like both recommended options. Although i doubt the 2nd would be favoured among the devs, but the 33% armor decrease is too high for a playstyle that thrives on outlasting your opponent.
While i still probably wouldn't pick it on my IB thanks to many good tactics, i'd definitely give it a good go on the kotbs, who arguably has very little in terms of damage increase tactics
See if you can finetune it from other comments then make sure to post it on the "Balance Suggestions" subthread (it's the one the devs read more often since it's single posts, no pages on pages of commenting).
What do you think of the other suggestions in this thread?
Didn't read them mate. These days I try to to take my forum surfing in small doses. Otherwise my blood pressure starts to rise.
zulnam wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:32 pm
I like both recommended options. Although i doubt the 2nd would be favoured among the devs, but the 33% armor decrease is too high for a playstyle that thrives on outlasting your opponent.
While i still probably wouldn't pick it on my IB thanks to many good tactics, i'd definitely give it a good go on the kotbs, who arguably has very little in terms of damage increase tactics
See if you can finetune it from other comments then make sure to post it on the "Balance Suggestions" subthread (it's the one the devs read more often since it's single posts, no pages on pages of commenting).
33% armor decrease can be gained back with a top notch armor pot.
I guess it depends on the gear you're sporting? My knight in 2h gear has about 3900 armor. 33% of that comes to roughly 1200+. The highest pot I know goes up to 825-ish? IB is closer to 3300 IIRC so yeah, that would be closer to a pot.
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5 piece warlord and 3 piece 2h sov gives 4209 armor which is what im currently using with FO im at 2820 with a top notch (+907) armor pot thats 3727.
33% armor decrease can be gained back with a top notch armor pot.
I guess it depends on the gear you're sporting? My knight in 2h gear has about 3900 armor. 33% of that comes to roughly 1200+. The highest pot I know goes up to 825-ish? IB is closer to 3300 IIRC so yeah, that would be closer to a pot.
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5 piece warlord and 3 piece 2h sov gives 4209 armor which is what im currently using with FO im at 2820 with a top notch (+907) armor pot thats 3727.
Does potion stack with Persevere / Guarded / Heaven's?
Even then(if they do which they most likely don't), those pots are very costly, it's unreasonable that a tactic has that large hubris.
Also, one thing I noticed...Grimnir, you said no tanks to this suggestion, but...what do other devs think? I'd like to hear "no" from at least 3 sources.
Didn't read them mate. These days I try to to take my forum surfing in small doses. Otherwise my blood pressure starts to rise.
I guess it depends on the gear you're sporting? My knight in 2h gear has about 3900 armor. 33% of that comes to roughly 1200+. The highest pot I know goes up to 825-ish? IB is closer to 3300 IIRC so yeah, that would be closer to a pot.
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5 piece warlord and 3 piece 2h sov gives 4209 armor which is what im currently using with FO im at 2820 with a top notch (+907) armor pot thats 3727.
Does potion stack with Persevere / Guarded / Heaven's?
Even then(if they do which they most likely don't), those pots are very costly, it's unreasonable that a tactic has that large hubris.
Also, one thing I noticed...Grimnir, you said no tanks to this suggestion, but...what do other devs think? I'd like to hear "no" from at least 3 sources.
start farming for that gold, thats the mmorpg experience. make friends, farm, grind, and get better than others.
space44 wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 8:37 pm
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5 piece warlord and 3 piece 2h sov gives 4209 armor which is what im currently using with FO im at 2820 with a top notch (+907) armor pot thats 3727.
Does potion stack with Persevere / Guarded / Heaven's?
Even then(if they do which they most likely don't), those pots are very costly, it's unreasonable that a tactic has that large hubris.
Also, one thing I noticed...Grimnir, you said no tanks to this suggestion, but...what do other devs think? I'd like to hear "no" from at least 3 sources.
start farming for that gold, thats the mmorpg experience. make friends, farm, grind, and get better than others.
Still doesn't excuse a piss poor, mostly useless tactic. And what you wrote supposedly works for every mmo experience, no matter how dire or boring. Misery loves company I guess.