sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
So BG gets hate when hitting and being hit and IB only gets it when he is being hit, that is "working in the exact same way"? lel
It's balanced because IB builds it faster at lower grudge, if as a tank you stay in the back avoiding being hit, then I have bad news for you.
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
AoE 10% Crit debuff, double AP drain, heal debuff, AoE 10% parry debuff,AoE snare, shield that works vs all types of damage (unlike IB magic one), M4 Khaine Warding that heals everyone whenever someone blocks perfect for fort push, wounds debuff.......ZzZz
We know the few things a BG has, we also know, and honest people especially knows and should admit that everything he has, other tanks have it too, but better. You just cherrypicked what was more convenient and ignored the things that contradicted you. Since it seems you have trouble reading, I'll sumarize a few of them again.
·Not AoE crit, but CONE crit debuff:
-BG's last skill on Malice tree.
-Kotbs 2nd tactic in path of conquest tree.*See below
·AoE Snare:
-BG 20s Cooldown.
-IB 10s cooldown (100% uptime).
·Crit reduction:
-BG 20% at max hate.
-SM 25% with tactic.
·Wounds debuff:
-BG 75 wounds debuff when you CRITICALLY HIT; Last tactic on Malice.
-KotBS 75 wounds debuff at all times, core ability. *(Same ability that increases crit chance)
-SM 162 wounds buff, phantom blade core ability, also heals for that amount.
162-75=87 where's the debuff exactly?
·AP drains? Almost all classes have AP drains. Though, have you made the math to see if the BG ap drains can truly debuff the AP buffs/regen from order? I think not to both.
·Shield that works against all types of damage? As far as I know, block condition checks are the same for all tanks.
·M4? BG's don't have any morale pump nor morale drain,thus building morales is incredibly difficult, same for IB, so perhaps needs a rework for both, or just take away morale pumps from all tanks, I'd be okay with it.
·So exactly, what's the real debuff a BG can apply?
-10% Parry strikethrough?
-Slayers have rampage.
-Engineers have pierce defenses, reducing their parry/block/dodge by 15% for 10s after a defense.
-Wh's also have a strikethrough...
I'm implying that it's not an "exclusive" but rather a "necessity" when you take in account each class own abilties to strikethrough, order has many but destro?
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
No IB takes that tactic ever.
Take or not a tactic, liniment, talisman, weapon, remove a skill from your action bars... etc
All of the above are anecdotes, not a real argument, the tactic is there to be taken, everything that comes after? Anecdotes.
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
since it doesnt stack with tough aura from knight
Then BG doesn't stack with Chosen's aura either.
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
10 seconds cooldown on a skill that is basically fluff AoE damage, yikes, also u have spamable AoE skill and 2 AoE debuffs that deal damage as well, BG is just better in AoE fluff department sooooo
We're not talking about damage, we're talking about utility. IB has a 10s CD snare, BG has a 20S CD snare, as I said previously, one may have a 100% uptime.
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
so? what's your point? remove IB tanking utility because¿¿?¿
Because the main issue with IB is that it has too much utility, unironically making IB uneficcient. You can also remove the initiative, or tweak the BG tactic. But god forbid "nerf" suggestions to your beloved IB for the sake of balance. All order tanks must remain group efficient, destro ones? Let's just stack chosens until they get nerfed too.
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
dawi offended you¿?
I don't understand this part.
Who's offended? Who's dawi?
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
I don't know wich "MATH and NUMBERS" you've chosen to make this comparisson but yeah, they don't add up. Talking about disingenous and dishonest post is exactly what you've done, instead of suggesting changes to improve the (yes it needs love as well) shield spec BG, u just randomly (and inaccurately as i've proved in my post) throw **** to IB. My BG needs waaay less tryhard mode than my IB in 2h spec, specially on small scale and is fun as **** to play.
anyway, cya in gunbad mid dawi hat8rs
I have detailed some of them above, not my problem if you're an IB fanboy. I haven't suggested any changes, you really have trouble comprehending texts. All I have done is discuss the class in comparison to others, I have said that it needs tweaks here and there, haven't suggested anything besides what is logical: Either rework BG's or simply rework the other tanks so they're all "balanced". Order tanks are extremely overpowered right now, something that hasn't been seen in a long time, they can do anything that destro can do but better, usually x2 times better as I have posted some examples above. You haven't "proved" anything else besides what you believe in your display of mental contortions.
City siege protection numbers? Where is BG? Where are all the other tanks? When do you see a BG above a BO, Chosen or any order tank? When the BG is BiS and the others are anni/conq?
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
My BG needs waaay less tryhard mode than my IB in 2h spec, specially on small scale and is fun as **** to play.
Has it ever crossed your thoughts that the reason is because it's lacking?
sergteo wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 11:15 am
IB is excelent tank and needs minor tweaks to make it more competitive (20 seconds oathfriend buffs and grudge mechanic same as hate).
What's new here? The part where everyone knows that any tank is excelent compared to BG? Or the part where, despite being already overperforming in terms of utility and skill variety, dishonest people still wants "minor tweaks" instead of acknowledging that it's a nerf what it needs, since it's overperforming.
Instead we have people reliant on NB to play IB, attempting to push the merge of IB skills so it can keep the same group utility with less buttons, 100% uptime. All of this while BG is the absolute bottom tank on both sides and it has been like that for waaaaay too long.
Cringe plebbit tier image. And again I have no idea who Dawi is, and quite frankly I couldn't care less. It's not relevant to the discussion.