teiloh wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:23 amGlean+Pande w/ Flamer (and Engi Equiv) does a bit more damage than BHA, and it leaves a tac slot free.ururu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:01 amPandemonium has only 1 stack and 5 sec cooldown tho. But whatever, we don't have to have a mirror everywhere. However, BHA should be definitely looked into if it has all three points 1)unlimited stacking from multiple sources 2) no defence checks after application 3) no cooldown.
But yeah SW does bring up the sheer number of Order players with ranged AOE dot by a lot.
Re: Glean + Pandemonium:
Pandemonium has a cd, as was already mentioned.
Which is more common, dodge or disrupt?
I reckon it's disrupt.
For Pandemonium, the Magus/Engi is only mobile, when he has Flamer stacks. Considerably less mobile than a skirmisher SW.
Also note, that Magus has less (/worse) escape tools: no self- knockback and the like.
And a rather debatable 'melee' capability imo; Assault > Daemonology, besides the pull?
Magus is also far easier to spot... being on his disk and all.
And isn't Engineer AoE slightly above Magus AoE? (with Magus having better single target, thanks to elemental vs ballistic dmg?)
Also, does your damage comparison include 'Vengeful'?
1/3rd the time, the SW is at +25% more damage dealt...
I've seen multiple SC's, with 3 Shadow warriors in the top 6 of damage.
That's between both order & destro.
Worse, they're also quite good at getting kills.
Levelling destro, SC-wise during double XP has been extremely painful.
Here's the thing though:
name another tactic, that is that low in the tree, that has such an effect.
I'll raise you the Magus Havoc tactic: Flickering Red Fire & Violet Fire, will hit 1!! additional target, up to 15 feet away.
Various other DPS have similar tactics, I seem to recall Witch Hunter.
For what it does, this should be higher in the tree; and perhaps be limited: hits 2 other targets, or some maximum.
Compare this tactic, to 'Keen arrowheads', and tell me which one seems like it deserves to be higher in the tree.
On the other hand, Shaman heals, only gets an AoE (well, group) cleanse, at the highest tactic in the healing tree.
I'd like to see this lowered. (Same for AM)
Or perhaps group cleanse tactic should even be a 'career' thing for them.
Note that Shaman can't cleanse Hex's...
Which are the effect type of... oh, BW, AM, Engineer, ... a lot of ranged DPS.
AM can't cleanse Curses.
AM can Cleanse Shaman, Magus, SH, ... not sorcs.
So most of the ranged DPS.
(WP can't cleanse Ailments; so he can cleanse Sorc, Magus, not SqH/Sha. Still quite a bit of ranged DoT's he can cleanse).