Shaman Ere We Goes Again Tactic

[Gaave]

"Ere We Goes Again" tactic from the Shaman's Path of Gork Mastery tree increases the group buff "'Ere We Go!" to have all party members within 100ft deal an additional 150 Elemental Damage on their next 2 attacks over the next 10 seconds. The ability "'Ere We Go!" has a 10 second cooldown. This means in the best case scenario this will change the damage of the ability from 750 (125 damage multiplied by 6 party members) to 1800 (150 damage multiplied by 6 party members multiplied by 2 attacks). This tactic's direct counter part on the Archmage is the "Radiant Burst" tactic which makes the Archmage ability "Radiant Lance" effect all targets within 15ft of the ability's target. In the worst case scenario no secondary target is within 15ft of the target, as such no additional damage is dealt. When 1 target is within range for the tactic to work we see the damage over 10 seconds is equal to 1720 spirit damage. The difference between the Shaman's best case of 1800 and the Archmage's non-worst case is 80 damage in the Shaman's favor.

Figures for this were taken from https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/

[BluIzLucky]

I missed your suggestion.. are you saying they should buff one of the worst AoE in the game, because even if an AM spends 10 secs casting it's still less dmg than a single shaman instant cast that is also one of the best group morale pumps?
think you are right, they should make it 20-25ft

[Dabbart]

And?

[Fey]

If you have a 40/40 shaman you can open a balance suggestion topic for this ability.

It's not clear what you would like done here. Ere We Go! has been nerfed and then un-nerfed somewhat, so the balance team is perfectly aware of its issues. It's a potent morale builder, but morale gain and morale abilities themselves have been heavily tuned down. Stacking morale direct damage is much less punishing than it used to be. Aside from tweaking morale gain from this ability/tactic the dev team's time is better spent on 2-hand choppa/slayer and rolling out the chosen/kotbs aura adjustments.

You have opened a topic about, You Really Got Nuthin, ability as well. I'd suggest the same advice if you would like it looked at. Directly comparing abilities to the class mirror just won't get you very far.

[Gaave]

I missed your suggestion.. are you saying they should buff one of the worst AoE in the game, because even if an AM spends 10 secs casting it's still less dmg than a single shaman instant cast that is also one of the best group morale pumps?
think you are right, they should make it 20-25ft

I am suggesting that either the AM option needs to be changed or the Shaman option needs to be changed or buffed as their damage is wildly different. The AM option is vastly superior damage wise.

[Gaave]

If you have a 40/40 shaman you can open a balance suggestion topic for this ability.

It's not clear what you would like done here. Ere We Go! has been nerfed and then un-nerfed somewhat, so the balance team is perfectly aware of its issues. It's a potent morale builder, but morale gain and morale abilities themselves have been heavily tuned down. Stacking morale direct damage is much less punishing than it used to be. Aside from tweaking morale gain from this ability/tactic the dev team's time is better spent on 2-hand choppa/slayer and rolling out the chosen/kotbs aura adjustments.

You have opened a topic about, You Really Got Nuthin, ability as well. I'd suggest the same advice if you would like it looked at. Directly comparing abilities to the class mirror just won't get you very far.

Could you explain how it is a morale builder?

[Caduceus]

I agree this tactic could be tweaked a bit, but 1800 damage extra burst is nothing to be scoffed at and can easily make the difference between a failed and successful burst rotation.

[wachlarz]

"Ere We Goes Again" tactic from the Shaman's Path of Gork Mastery tree increases the group buff "'Ere We Go!" to have all party members within 100ft deal an additional 150 Elemental Damage on their next 2 attacks over the next 10 seconds. The ability "'Ere We Go!" has a 10 second cooldown. This means in the best case scenario this will change the damage of the ability from 750 (125 damage multiplied by 6 party members) to 1800 (150 damage multiplied by 6 party members multiplied by 2 attacks). This tactic's direct counter part on the Archmage is the "Radiant Burst" tactic which makes the Archmage ability "Radiant Lance" effect all targets within 15ft of the ability's target. In the worst case scenario no secondary target is within 15ft of the target, as such no additional damage is dealt. When 1 target is within range for the tactic to work we see the damage over 10 seconds is equal to 1720 spirit damage. The difference between the Shaman's best case of 1800 and the Archmage's non-worst case is 80 damage in the Shaman's favor.

Figures for this were taken from https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/

I can write solo shaman make only 150x2 dmg in 10 sec vs like U write 1700 in 10 sec Am. I can write too: party members need to survive to hit somthing to make dmg. So i can write: sham 150x2dmg vs 1700 dmg Am so 1400 dmg Am favor. So buff shaman some tac to make this skill more dmg in single target

[Gangan]

If you have a 40/40 shaman you can open a balance suggestion topic for this ability.

It's not clear what you would like done here. Ere We Go! has been nerfed and then un-nerfed somewhat, so the balance team is perfectly aware of its issues. It's a potent morale builder, but morale gain and morale abilities themselves have been heavily tuned down. Stacking morale direct damage is much less punishing than it used to be. Aside from tweaking morale gain from this ability/tactic the dev team's time is better spent on 2-hand choppa/slayer and rolling out the chosen/kotbs aura adjustments.

You have opened a topic about, You Really Got Nuthin, ability as well. I'd suggest the same advice if you would like it looked at. Directly comparing abilities to the class mirror just won't get you very far.

Could you explain how it is a morale builder?

Check the tactic "Get movin'". It generates moral when hitting with "ere we go".

[Gaave]

I agree this tactic could be tweaked a bit, but 1800 damage extra burst is nothing to be scoffed at and can easily make the difference between a failed and successful burst rotation.

1800 is the best case scenario, it requires all party members be alive, within 100ft, not CC'd, and make 2 attacks over 10 seconds.