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Everdin
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#31 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:56 pm

you can affect your chances to win if you group up or join pug sc.(Or even both if you are only 2).

There is no error, they tried, it faild, people complaint about queing time (not only one or two snowflakes, an gamechanging amount of players)

It's more like: Don't go to shop for milk because you have a f...ing cow in your garden.
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Sulorie
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#32 » Tue Jan 25, 2022 6:47 pm

btbw2009 wrote: Tue Jan 25, 2022 4:46 pm you dude dont understand simple thing
ONE player cannot affect on current matchmaking system cuz it fall under ur or like u fans of Fast scenario invite
im dont talk here about balance of classes or realm
only for machine finder tool
its have error, its can be fixed
but you post more and more things about BS like order tanks, join to grp etc
dont go to shop for milk, cuz ppl already invent nuclear bomb...same logic and same realisation ingame
I tried hard to understand what you have wrote here but I wasn't successful. What is your point?
Dying is no option.

Massn
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#33 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:59 pm

It would be nice to ban premades in mid tier scenarios, because premade is very hard to find, and, usually, players from hardcore guilds dominate mid tier. As a result, leveling becomes much more complicated, because scenarios are the most efficient way to level.

Sulorie
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#34 » Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:58 pm

Massn wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:59 pm It would be nice to ban premades in mid tier scenarios, because premade is very hard to find, and, usually, players from hardcore guilds dominate mid tier. As a result, leveling becomes much more complicated, because scenarios are the most efficient way to level.
There is no hardcore in midtier, the gear is easy to get and in a MMO, playing with other players should be the goal.
Teams win by putting in more effort, which means group building too. Someone has to make the first move. If everyone waits for someone else to start a group, it will never happen.
The XP is good but why would the enemy lose? Your team has to be better than the opponents team to get those rewards.
Dying is no option.

Massn
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#35 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:31 am

Sulorie wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:58 pm
Massn wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:59 pm It would be nice to ban premades in mid tier scenarios, because premade is very hard to find, and, usually, players from hardcore guilds dominate mid tier. As a result, leveling becomes much more complicated, because scenarios are the most efficient way to level.
There is no hardcore in midtier, the gear is easy to get and in a MMO, playing with other players should be the goal.
Teams win by putting in more effort, which means group building too. Someone has to make the first move. If everyone waits for someone else to start a group, it will never happen.
The XP is good but why would the enemy lose? Your team has to be better than the opponents team to get those rewards.
There is not enough online on midtear for casual players to make premades. If you don't have a dedicated guild, it is minimum 1h on order side to build premade, even in prime time, so usually you are steamrolled by premades with guys with top talismans and pots.

Everdin
Posts: 555

Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#36 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:19 am

Massn wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:31 am
Sulorie wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 3:58 pm
Massn wrote: Thu Jan 27, 2022 2:59 pm It would be nice to ban premades in mid tier scenarios, because premade is very hard to find, and, usually, players from hardcore guilds dominate mid tier. As a result, leveling becomes much more complicated, because scenarios are the most efficient way to level.
There is no hardcore in midtier, the gear is easy to get and in a MMO, playing with other players should be the goal.
Teams win by putting in more effort, which means group building too. Someone has to make the first move. If everyone waits for someone else to start a group, it will never happen.
The XP is good but why would the enemy lose? Your team has to be better than the opponents team to get those rewards.
There is not enough online on midtear for casual players to make premades. If you don't have a dedicated guild, it is minimum 1h on order side to build premade, even in prime time, so usually you are steamrolled by premades with guys with top talismans and pots.
Damn, you are all right, the old, mighty and untouchable grandmasters of this game were afraid of a new generation of players that rise from t1 and inevitable will be equal to them once they reach t4, so they released theire best warriors, equipt with secret weapons and magic stones that are only allowed to them! These warriors hunt in packs, and their only goal is to find solo queing players to, not only kill them one or two times, no they will elimnate them!

To be serious, most of the premades on both sides are just /lfg groups where both sides have equal access. Like Sulorie said, equip/talisman/pots are reachable for everyone, if you have the level to be t3 you are able to make t3 potions yourself. If all people would commit that this is a multiplayer game and focus on building groups, it wouldn't take an hour. Let's assume there are 12 players on bot sides, one side is willing to play the classes that are needed and to build groups, the other are 12 dps that want to solo all the way:
One side put more effort in winning sc than the other!
Why shouldn't they get punished for the lack of preperation on the other side?
What would the 12 dps side win? The others would que with 4 solo tanks 4 solo heal 4 solo dps and build groups in the sc, the other would still que with 12 dps, do you expect another outcome? Or should thy ban group switching as well?
Let's expect the elite warriors i mentioned above exist, what would they do if premades were banned? Exactly what happend with solo ranked, a discord where you can quickly get voice communication regarding to their sc.
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dalen
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#37 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:16 am

There is already a scenario available that only allows solo queueing and creates balanced setups:

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heybaws
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#38 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 am

Literally every night there is someone looking for people to make t3 sc grp on both sides. If you are too lazy to join it and to work as a team atleast be honest and admit it instead of straight making sh*t up about how impossible it is to find a group in t3 scs.
Also if people coming in to the game that is about grp play and they keep playing solo in every aspect of it, why their voice should matter on literally any aspect of the game? They deliberately choose to play outside of the system and now they whine that system is not changing to fit them in, bruh..

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Morradin
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#39 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:54 am

Sadly, there is a misplaced bias towards forcing players to be social in real life, by having them organize with five other people, like it or not. Which means solo players almost always get matched vs a premade group. This is done on purpose, so that solo players will fail, and have a harder time. It is really sad how the majority of players are treated.

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Morradin
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#40 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:56 am

heybaws wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 am Literally every night there is someone looking for people to make t3 sc grp on both sides. If you are too lazy to join it and to work as a team atleast be honest and admit it instead of straight making sh*t up about how impossible it is to find a group in t3 scs.
Also if people coming in to the game that is about grp play and they keep playing solo in every aspect of it, why their voice should matter on literally any aspect of the game? They deliberately choose to play outside of the system and now they whine that system is not changing to fit them in, bruh..
Stop calling it lazy. I hate this bias you groupies have towards your beloved 6 man carrying you. Some of us do not like interacting with other people. That is why we play video games. NOT to interact with people that are hung up on their egos, like you!

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