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Everdin
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#51 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:41 pm

licenje wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:33 pm Was here when they tested 2 2 2 que sistem, que was 10-20 mins on order for solo dps class... and ppl that complain about it are same ppl that play premades cos they dont get instant pop and cant farm pugs as they intend to... was same players that where against 6 man only fight 6 mans cos they cant farm as they itend to...
Last weekend had guys from fl do premade and i was solo q with my slayer they finish 1 sc, and had 2 sc pop before me, when they where 4 mins in 2 sc i had pop, my sc was 1 heal 11 dps vs 2 destro pemade and they had 2 sc vs destro pugs...
When i do premade i get 90% of time vs pugs, when i solo i get 90% of time vs premades and this is part that needs to change in my opinion... if go premade i wona fight premade but you get pug all the time... thats why i go mostly solo q or duo with heal...
But most vocal ppl and majority, are ones that make premade to farm pugs so i dont expect that to change...
Last weekend we got nearly all the time premade vs premade
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#52 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:49 pm

Everdin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:41 pm
licenje wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:33 pm Was here when they tested 2 2 2 que sistem, que was 10-20 mins on order for solo dps class... and ppl that complain about it are same ppl that play premades cos they dont get instant pop and cant farm pugs as they intend to... was same players that where against 6 man only fight 6 mans cos they cant farm as they itend to...
Last weekend had guys from fl do premade and i was solo q with my slayer they finish 1 sc, and had 2 sc pop before me, when they where 4 mins in 2 sc i had pop, my sc was 1 heal 11 dps vs 2 destro pemade and they had 2 sc vs destro pugs...
When i do premade i get 90% of time vs pugs, when i solo i get 90% of time vs premades and this is part that needs to change in my opinion... if go premade i wona fight premade but you get pug all the time... thats why i go mostly solo q or duo with heal...
But most vocal ppl and majority, are ones that make premade to farm pugs so i dont expect that to change...
Last weekend we got nearly all the time premade vs premade
Lucky you i did premade on sunday to help guys from guild 15 games was 1 vs premade all other 500-0 stomp vs pugs...
and did solo games on friday donno ex number but was 25+ games dont tink i had one vs pugs...

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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#53 » Fri Jan 28, 2022 3:57 pm

Ashoris wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 2:10 pm
Morradin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:56 am Stop calling it lazy. I hate this bias you groupies have towards your beloved 6 man carrying you. Some of us do not like interacting with other people. That is why we play video games. NOT to interact with people that are hung up on their egos, like you!
It is a MMO - one of the key differences is that socialising is a big part of this type of game ... its ok if you dont want to - but dont expect the game to ignore one of his core aspects.

a lot of people writing here playing a lot SOLO too (back in the days Sulorie played DPS AM and got flamed every damn SC :P ) Everdin do not care about grp size or composition and plays just how it comes ... the only difference is - he knows its not the game's fault if he loses !

This game is in general very casual and solo friendly ...
I call this fake news :mrgreen:

If someone was flaming me, the other ppl on the team usually shut them down, because I had the habit to swap to healer gear, if there were too little healers on the team. :)
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#54 » Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:44 pm

The problem is not that solo players are discriminated. The problem is that online is too small for the formation of premades to be comfortable, on t3 this problem is even more actual. I'm not a hardcore player, I'm one of those who casts aside toons often without even gearing them in a conq set, and for me, spending an extra hour for llfg is a lot, and i'm sure that there is a lot of players like me. An attempts to make the pugs balanced failed, again because of the online issues. There may be several solutions, IMHO, to make more pug-only scenes; give the opportunity to save the group after the end of scenario, so the people could register as a premade after; allow players to choose whether to play only against pugs, or only against premades.

Everdin
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#55 » Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:18 pm

Massn wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:44 pm The problem is not that solo players are discriminated. The problem is that online is too small for the formation of premades to be comfortable, on t3 this problem is even more actual. I'm not a hardcore player, I'm one of those who casts aside toons often without even gearing them in a conq set, and for me, spending an extra hour for llfg is a lot, and i'm sure that there is a lot of players like me. An attempts to make the pugs balanced failed, again because of the online issues. There may be several solutions, IMHO, to make more pug-only scenes; give the opportunity to save the group after the end of scenario, so the people could register as a premade after; allow players to choose whether to play only against pugs, or only against premades.
I think giving more pug sc are possible and wouldn't hurt anyone, but why should devs put effort in this when even the existing pug sc not opens up -> is not used? I really love the idea of saving a group, maybe this could lead to more organisation.
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#56 » Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:50 pm

Everdin wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:18 pm
Massn wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:44 pm The problem is not that solo players are discriminated. The problem is that online is too small for the formation of premades to be comfortable, on t3 this problem is even more actual. I'm not a hardcore player, I'm one of those who casts aside toons often without even gearing them in a conq set, and for me, spending an extra hour for llfg is a lot, and i'm sure that there is a lot of players like me. An attempts to make the pugs balanced failed, again because of the online issues. There may be several solutions, IMHO, to make more pug-only scenes; give the opportunity to save the group after the end of scenario, so the people could register as a premade after; allow players to choose whether to play only against pugs, or only against premades.
I think giving more pug sc are possible and wouldn't hurt anyone, but why should devs put effort in this when even the existing pug sc not opens up -> is not used? I really love the idea of saving a group, maybe this could lead to more organisation.
Not sure. If I queue solo, I queue for all sc as it would far to boring to do the same ac again and again.
While most "premades" are just some /5 groups whose main advantage is the balance of archetypes and pure pug sc are just as unbalanced (again based on archetypes), my chances to be on the superior side are roughly 50% when queue for pug sc and lower on other sc (max. one premade on my side, up to 2 on enemy side). So if there are more pug sc, I would probably only queue for them. So this might hurt queue time for premades and might be especially problematic for 3-5 men groups. And as this is an mmo and grouping up should be incetivized, more pug sc are a bad idea imo.
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#57 » Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:52 pm

Morradin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:56 am
heybaws wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 am Literally every night there is someone looking for people to make t3 sc grp on both sides. If you are too lazy to join it and to work as a team atleast be honest and admit it instead of straight making sh*t up about how impossible it is to find a group in t3 scs.
Also if people coming in to the game that is about grp play and they keep playing solo in every aspect of it, why their voice should matter on literally any aspect of the game? They deliberately choose to play outside of the system and now they whine that system is not changing to fit them in, bruh..
Stop calling it lazy. I hate this bias you groupies have towards your beloved 6 man carrying you. Some of us do not like interacting with other people. That is why we play video games. NOT to interact with people that are hung up on their egos, like you!
Why are you even playing an MMO if you're that antisocial?

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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#58 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:39 am

kirraha wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:52 pm
Morradin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:56 am
heybaws wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:28 am Literally every night there is someone looking for people to make t3 sc grp on both sides. If you are too lazy to join it and to work as a team atleast be honest and admit it instead of straight making sh*t up about how impossible it is to find a group in t3 scs.
Also if people coming in to the game that is about grp play and they keep playing solo in every aspect of it, why their voice should matter on literally any aspect of the game? They deliberately choose to play outside of the system and now they whine that system is not changing to fit them in, bruh..
Stop calling it lazy. I hate this bias you groupies have towards your beloved 6 man carrying you. Some of us do not like interacting with other people. That is why we play video games. NOT to interact with people that are hung up on their egos, like you!
Why are you even playing an MMO if you're that antisocial?
I do not play with people who have inflated egos and I am anti social? Bold of you to assume this. :)
I have a selected group of friends in both realms that I talk with almost all night that I am logged in. We are very social with each other. Just not egomaniacs!
I refuse to group with or play with toxic people who trash other players because an SC was lost. Sadly way too many of those and they all form pick up groups. So I play solo.

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Everdin
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#59 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 10:15 am

Morradin wrote: Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:39 am
kirraha wrote: Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:52 pm
Morradin wrote: Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:56 am

Stop calling it lazy. I hate this bias you groupies have towards your beloved 6 man carrying you. Some of us do not like interacting with other people. That is why we play video games. NOT to interact with people that are hung up on their egos, like you!
Why are you even playing an MMO if you're that antisocial?
I do not play with people who have inflated egos and I am anti social? Bold of you to assume this. :)
I have a selected group of friends in both realms that I talk with almost all night that I am logged in. We are very social with each other. Just not egomaniacs!
I refuse to group with or play with toxic people who trash other players because an SC was lost. Sadly way too many of those and they all form pick up groups. So I play solo.
Maybe he just read...
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Re: Make sc queue like city

Post#60 » Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:28 pm

I do not get bothered or heated to often to the point where I say screw it and just walk away, but last night was one of those nights. No matter t1, (t2/t3), t4 scs it was a beating. Pugging the entire night against premades was beyond ridiculous.

Even in the lakes their were only 2 wbs of order roaming which both had Autoband so if you tried joining them you were autokicked because they did not need a tank. So i pugged scs. I finally switched to my t1 Blackguard late last night (EST) same thing then on that side. When and/if a T1 SC popped it was a premade of order. I have zero idea why in T1 there were 2 premades one of order and the other of destro and never did you get in an SC that they were taking on each other.

I was super close to just pushing this game back into the closet of my hard drive again for a few months. I am over loans and business development for a multi-billion dollar company so my days are filled with huge amounts of stress, I play games to calm my nerves not agitate them. I get the fact not one dev cares about us Americans as they are asleep when we are even playing, but the low pop in NA and the one sidedness of the lakes will force us to have to do Scenario's if we can not find a friend or WB online to run with.

Scenario's do need to be looked at especially in T1. There were 2 toons talking last night saying how they were brand new to the game and asked if this was like the entirety of the game just getting hammered? I told them unfortunately if they do not make friends quick and "git gud" as the pixel try hards here say it will be like that for a while until they can get better gear. Plus, if they go to the forums, the forum troll warriors will just tell them to find another game.

Did we lose them, probably? Will they be back, probably not.

ps. Probably, the reason this weekend has caused me to rethink this game is also because the event SC is my least favorite in the game, so I am biased that way this weekend as well
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