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jshort
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Re: Some kind of joke ?

Post#71 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:41 am

Triumphant and Victorious are BiS Gear, although they unlock the invader reward. Playable status for charakters is rr60 and full vanqisher set. "Playable" means you can fullfill your role in a party or wb on a decet level. As dps you start to see some decent damage numbers and survive with guard and heal, as a tank you can guard a dps and dont get ripped apart in 2 seconds and as a heal you put out some decent heal and be albe to survive long enough for your tank to switch guard when some evil stealther jumps you. If you 1v1 a rr80 toon or form a party with 3rr60+3rr80 toons and face a full rr80 party you will most likely get defeated. (not considering individual skill)

It was never easier to reach the "playable" status with your charakter. After hitting lvl 40 you can get invader level gear in less then 20 hours of playtime. This requires you to pve but still its super fast. For most classes the pve sets are quite good. E.g. vale walker set is very nice heal set for shami/zealot. As choppa/slayer 4 x vale walker, 3 x sentinal, 3 x beastlord gives you decent stats. As a tank just go for bloodlord and if you want to play shield just slot toughness talismans and your gear is good enough to fullfill your role inside your party. This allows you to skip all t4 rvr sets and save all War Crests for Sovereign/Warlord/Triumphant/Victorious Sets.
The only class i know of who doesnt get a good pve set is classic heal Dok/WP.

You have to put in atleast some time effort into the game/your charakter in order to get the skill and knowledge to play. Since Sovereign is so easy to get (which i rly appreciate) i am shocked to see BiS geared chars running around without talismans and potions. Gear is very important factor but it wont save you if you have no knowledge about the game.

A big problem i currently see is when new people hit lvl 40 they be running around in green gear because they are stucked on a t3 set. They just outleveled their gear so fast with 2x xp.

I dont own the Triumphant/Victorious Ring on any of my charakters but i still think the price is fair. Its the cherry on top of the cake. Its the last piece you will go for after you completed your Bis Gear Set. For some classes it might be more effective then for others. But having your char on rr80 with Sov/Warlord/Triumph/Vict set without the ring will still feel very powerfull. You dont need it to enjoy the game.
So please stop crying about the ring and just be happy you can buy it for 10k instead of winning 50 ranked matches with a rating of 1000+.
(i know its "only" 700+ now ;)

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Re: Some kind of joke ?

Post#72 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:46 am

rejndjer wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:43 am ...
i understand that a lot of you older players here that have played these old grind mmos think that grind here is super ez, but trust me, times have changed, and if you dont wanna see these new players quitting once they hit r40, you shouldnt make it so TIME-CONSUMING to reach the playable set (which on dps classes is invader).

I don't agree with you. All classes can perform with a Vanquisher set (not full with a DPS - mix with Sentinel/Beastlord or LoTD + Bloodlord Weapon for example). When you acquire Vanquisher, you start to be more efficient. You don't need Invader, which is a really bad set for a lot of classes (you skip it on healer/almost all DPS). But yeah, fresh T4, you are not at that level of gears (at least mix Conqueror/Beastlord).

rejndjer wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:43 am you keep forgetting that these new players are coming up against you veteran players in your sov chars. were you playing against people in sov when you couldnt even afford conqs as fresh r40?

On the other part, I agree with you that fresh 40, with Conqueror, can have a hard time facing stronger opponent, if they tried alone or with full new players party. Also, both sides have new players facing veterans with BiS gear, so in a way, it's not really a problem, since the forces balance each other.
I think they discussed about reviewing RR (for example, new RR55 == current RR45, but with higher ranks with more renown points needed). Another solution can be to review the stats of the Conqueror set and to transform it on a lower version of the Vanquisher (like the Triumphant/Victorious is a better version of the Vanquisher/Oppressor sets)

HarkonenTimber
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Re: Some kind of joke ?

Post#73 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:57 am

I must admit, I fully took advantage of the war crest conversion (play only 1 character, decked out since april last year, kept on playing) and was able to buy the replica medal instantly (had 15 ranked emblems but that translates into 3/4 months of bis event item so went with that). Cant say I didnt like that moment but was also a bit surprised. Should the devs implement royal weapons at some point I hope it is with a new currency or some sort of challenge to gate availability. Else you get what players like me were able to to and just buy it at release whilst not doing enough competitive gameplay (15=/=25) to really deserve them.

Elemint
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Re: Some kind of joke ?

Post#74 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:04 am

rejndjer wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 7:43 am
i haven't played back then, but if i understood you correctly, conqs was end-gear then? :S idk what "tasks" were needed to get it, but it couldnt have been harder than getting sov today?
Conq was latest set ye, but back then there were no such things as bag roll bonus, RVR week event bonus, zone lock rewards for your contribution while offline. No, for even a chance at rolling gold and a conq piece in it you had to be in the zone when it locks (your realm had to lock it otherwise tough luck, try better) and be in it for a long enough time to outcontribute everyone else, then be lucky enough to roll well, then be lucky enough to roll the slot you need in a bag. I don't even remember if bags rewarded emblem back then but if they did they were a pittance like 10 conq in a gold bag. From my memories the price was more time for a piece than sov today.

rejndjer
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Re: Some kind of joke ?

Post#75 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:30 am

from what i remember conq pieces dropped directly in bag before "one currency patch". on my main i got it very fast from DIRECT drops in bag. that's how it was on live as well. now don't get me wrong, i dont wanna say it was ez before, but it wasn't harder either. you still need to PARTICIPATE in rvr zonelock if you wanna have enough contribution for good roll. because roll is not only rng-based anymore, it heavily depends on participation.

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Re: Some kind of joke ?

Post#76 » Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:36 am

rejndjer wrote: Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:30 am from what i remember conq pieces dropped directly in bag before "one currency patch". on my main i got it very fast from DIRECT drops in bag. that's how it was on live as well. now don't get me wrong, i dont wanna say it was ez before, but it wasn't harder either. you still need to PARTICIPATE in rvr zonelock if you wanna have enough contribution for good roll. because roll is not only rng-based anymore, it heavily depends on participation.
There was no personal loot roll back then. You had to compete with everyone on your realm for the gold bag. Like the way fort rolls work now.

The bags was only a bonus if you were lucky, you had to rely on medallions from kills/kill quest.
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Dajciekrwi
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Re: Some kind of joke ?

Post#77 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:34 am

Martok wrote: Wed Sep 21, 2022 5:58 pm
rejndjer wrote: Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:49 amyou "feel" that this price is "fair" because of "sacrifice" of people that played the game mode behind which gear was gated? rip this game then. just shut it all down.

Other than the first two words the entire post you quoted was crafted as satire. I do that, from time to time.

My central point was I could understand why the jewel was priced so expensively, as a nod to that group of players who fought through Ranked to get theirs. I based that on a similar experience many of us went through back when Conqueror Gear was first introduced. The stuff was hard to get initially, requiring actual dedication to game-related task.

Now Conq gear is easier to get than a cold. Which, for those of us who suffered the initial grind, is understandable but still kinda sucks.
Really you still feel a pain from Conq conditions?? Bro you so sensitive. You know maybe its time to say goodbye to past and go on?
Personally i dont understand this logic "truimphant ring is not needed, he MUST , just MUS cost 99999999 warcrest"
Give peoples ball let them play its just a game for God sake!

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Re: Some kind of joke ?

Post#78 » Fri Sep 23, 2022 4:06 pm

Dajciekrwi wrote: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:34 amReally you still feel a pain from Conq conditions?? Bro you so sensitive. You know maybe its time to say goodbye to past and go on?

Your words have moved me. I will try...
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