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waerter
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Keep Def Changes

Post#1 » Sat Oct 05, 2024 4:50 pm

Congratulations to the developers. They've changed the meta again.
So far it was the case that as a weaker side you could at least try to defend a keep with 20-40% AAO and you had a chance of a successful defense.
Since you now need a few crates to level up the keep again, this will change rapidly in the future.

The change now forces you to split up to hold at least 2 BOs for longer time in the Open. And the enemy blob can leisurely hunt from one BO to the next to farm its kills.
So instead of supporting the weaker side, it is weakened even more. On the contrary, if the attacking side notices that there is significant resistance in the keep, then they simply pull away and chase the defenders when they want to close the Door. Noone need to Push through Oil anymore. Get the defenders in the open and exhaust them.

This means that it is no longer worth defending if the population does not fluctuate at the same time.

Welcome to PvD the whole Way.

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TrainInVain
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Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#2 » Sun Oct 06, 2024 6:01 pm

I've seen plenty of pvdoor going on for months. Typically if defenders don't think they can win, "don't give them any rr, and its not worth my time."

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Nameless
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Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#3 » Sun Oct 06, 2024 7:59 pm

One of the problems is that unsuccessful defence doesnt give anything meaningfull for defenders so why die and give enemy more
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shoelessHN
Posts: 245

Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#4 » Sun Oct 06, 2024 10:42 pm

I used to show up and defend keeps 10v100 when I could use siege weapons and get renown. Haven't bothered in years now.

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Sinisterror
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Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#5 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:41 am

shoelessHN wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 10:42 pm I used to show up and defend keeps 10v100 when I could use siege weapons and get renown. Haven't bothered in years now.
RoR problems summed up nicely. " I used to love play x and y but my favourite specs doesnt exist anymore/ havent bothered in a long time because there is no point no meaning OR nice rewards behind anything that should reward them "

There is no fun
"To clarify, me asking to developers to go test their own changes is not sign of toxicity or anger, but a sign of hope that the people punching in the numbers remain aware of potential consequences and test their own changes"-Teefz

billyk
Posts: 161

Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#6 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:06 am

Dev vision for the game is blobbing in rvr and premades mauling pugs in scs. That's clear by now because literally every change moves towards these two things.

shoelessHN
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Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#7 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:51 am

Sinisterror wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 3:41 am
shoelessHN wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 10:42 pm I used to show up and defend keeps 10v100 when I could use siege weapons and get renown. Haven't bothered in years now.
RoR problems summed up nicely. " I used to love play x and y but my favourite specs doesnt exist anymore/ havent bothered in a long time because there is no point no meaning OR nice rewards behind anything that should reward them "

There is no fun
It's not a spec FYI. It is completely useless to defend a keep that is being sieged by 2x+ your numbers now.

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Sinisterror
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Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#8 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:58 am

I know that Dropping oil is not a spec... is that really how you understood what i said? I need to speak better it seems
"To clarify, me asking to developers to go test their own changes is not sign of toxicity or anger, but a sign of hope that the people punching in the numbers remain aware of potential consequences and test their own changes"-Teefz

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shoelessHN
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Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#9 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:43 am

Sinisterror wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 4:58 am I know that Dropping oil is not a spec... is that really how you understood what i said? I need to speak better it seems
I got ya. But the oil kills at least attracted defenders even if you weren't the one to drop it. Now no one shows up. The attackers have 3 healers for every defender and you cannot kill anything, thus getting zero renown/crests. Cross realming to the keep zerging side has become way worse since the siege kill change.

Changes to make attacking the keep with a blob easier and easier has been detrimental to people sticking around as it gets really boring on either side.

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Akalukz
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Re: Keep Def Changes

Post#10 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:19 pm

Honestly, i am not sure how any keep is taken right now. First oil drop and timed with Mele push on killing ram, should be seige over.

But as others have stated, there is no reward, and there is little chance of getting to a sieged keep.

No wonder the underpopulated side huddle in the keep waiting or a siege.
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