More content for Triumphant medals

[PROsiak]

This grind is only reason many ppl keep playing certain characters. If it got removed these ppl reroll or quit. So until the game got more polished endgame the grind imo should stay

I don't think this is a good argument. Most people quit long before they even consider they gonna grind this. But if there are people that actually play for months to acquire it and quit right after they finally get BiS gear, you can actually put whatever else you want for them to achieve, like a unique title or whatever, if u worry they wont be motivated to play. It's their 'weird' mentality. Also i believe there are consumables to be bought for crests. Never bought them myself, cause of those obnoxious grinds for these rings, but that could be where most crests could go after completing the gear.
I myself farmed crests needed for the ring during months of playing over past couple of years and i would 100% lower the cost of this to 2k, so that whole set has resonable pricing. One piece for a set tier lower than sovereign shouldn't be worth as much as whole sov set.

[Aluviya]

I hate to say it, but we've now had several discussions asking for exactly this. I doubt there is a fair solution that satisfies both those who have endured and fought in truly competitive ranked seasons and those who simply aren't interested in small-scale competitive PvP.

Generally, it's no longer gated behind competitive content (as it used to be ranked/granked exclusive), and it has never been easier to farm Triumphant Tokens for those willing to group up and fight. However, the current situation is quite rough—there aren’t many teams to compete against, and veterans tend to dominate inexperienced small-scale players. The fact that a majority avoids granked for this very reason creates a vicious cycle: without balanced teams to fight, participation remains low, and with low participation, the chances of facing veterans and walking away empty-handed are quite high. Additionally, the current experience disparity in the game is significant, making competitive content especially difficult to engage in.

From the perspective of the game's overall health, another question also arises (at least for me): Why make the "final grind" less demanding when some players simply stop playing after reaching BiS?

For me, the only viable solution right now seems to be integrating ranked play into normal scenarios—specifically, introducing a single queue button for premades. This way, if you form a premade, you're more likely to face another premade in a 6v6 scenario.
Additionally, implementing an MMR system behind this would prevent veterans from endlessly farming inexperienced groups. I believe this approach would naturally improve the overall quality of small-scale PvP, as players would gradually adapt to the competitive environment rather than being overwhelmed from the start.
It would also address many of the current issues with scenarios—where premades are not actually facing other premades but instead farming pugs for hours on end.

[Cavaleironegro]

This grind is only reason many ppl keep playing certain characters. If it got removed these ppl reroll or quit. So until the game got more polished endgame the grind imo should stay

Dude, the game is over 20 years old, are you still expecting a lot? I think the truth is that most people who play are no longer teenagers, and they need to spend more time working in real life than playing a game. Anyway, I don't think it should be free, but maybe there should be more content for the triumphant medal...

[ShadowWar]

Group Ranked is still alive (outside and inside of season) thanks to guilds organising schedules. Not sure for how long its gonna last, new mechanic debuff ain’t having a good welcome, and since game mod is played mostly by BiS chars, is a matter of time duels will be organised in open maps, letting ranked died. Solo can last one week when season is up, game mod is pretty dead already. This locked any possibility solo had to gather Triump set via ranked.
The fact they gave an opportunity to buy said gear using crests, it also contributed to decline Ranked.
Even if prices seems skyrocket, you will get it in time, but game mod will be a ghost town

Who are those guilds? I don't know them. I remember maybe a year or so back, there was someone very consistently spamming chat channels in game to give ranked a try. I did, and even then, it was not a thing that would trigger hardly ever. This doesn't feel like a "ranked" system as people have grown used to in eSport style games, where you play with others and get matched on relative skill. It's a special corner made for a select few to participate in, and apparently they all stay hidden in the shadows, refusing to put their hands up and say, "Yes, I play ranked, and here's when."

[quda]

This grind is only reason many ppl keep playing certain characters. If it got removed these ppl reroll or quit. So until the game got more polished endgame the grind imo should stay

quite opposite. Actually I am thinking of giving up playin cause war crests farm is **** here. The reason I played yesterday - to get fun and kills in orvr. But I got less than 30 crests for more than 300 kills in wb. And I would love to have both sov sets, also warlord and vic/triumph. But Its going like foreva, and Im not belive that I will have patience for such dumb farm. Actually getting RR is much faster and fun that farmin those red useless coins. So I want to say that whole war crests system sucks here. Its really bad, annoying and forced people to play with no real need. Sov+triumph builds are forced. Thats a shame.

[PROsiak]

On the contrary i would like to add that the whole progression to ~vanq level gear feels nice and smooth right now. There are plenty of options of gear to choose from, getting there is quite fast and aiming for gold bags feels rewarding with possibility of getting whole gear pieces. After that there are 2 main problems: one is this ring which raises the price of BiS setup to crazy amount and second one is the price of off gear once you acquire your main one. Maybe something like a discount could be introduced - for example if you bought main sovereign piece, the piece for the off set is discounted by 50%. Or allow warlord pieces to be found in fortress bags and off sov in city bags, when u unlocked ward from the main ones. Just my suggestions, cause farming another 10k crests, when gold bags rewards you with 40 feels like an absolute nightmare.

[calipso]

Group Ranked is still alive (outside and inside of season) thanks to guilds organising schedules. Not sure for how long its gonna last, new mechanic debuff ain’t having a good welcome, and since game mod is played mostly by BiS chars, is a matter of time duels will be organised in open maps, letting ranked died. Solo can last one week when season is up, game mod is pretty dead already. This locked any possibility solo had to gather Triump set via ranked.
The fact they gave an opportunity to buy said gear using crests, it also contributed to decline Ranked.
Even if prices seems skyrocket, you will get it in time, but game mod will be a ghost town

Who are those guilds? I don't know them. I remember maybe a year or so back, there was someone very consistently spamming chat channels in game to give ranked a try. I did, and even then, it was not a thing that would trigger hardly ever. This doesn't feel like a "ranked" system as people have grown used to in eSport style games, where you play with others and get matched on relative skill. It's a special corner made for a select few to participate in, and apparently they all stay hidden in the shadows, refusing to put their hands up and say, "Yes, I play ranked, and here's when."

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... oup_ranked

[vladerethro]

I guess you can find 11 mates and do group ranked, sometimes you win, sometimes you loose... 10 wins + event should get your 50 triumphant insignia in 4-5 weeks.
Is it competitive? no

It's strange to me that you get BiS item in a game mode that requires BiS.
Gear should be normalized/equilized in ranked if you ask me (but you didn't)

[Avernus]

I guess you can find 11 mates and do group ranked, sometimes you win, sometimes you loose... 10 wins + event should get your 50 triumphant insignia in 4-5 weeks.
Is it competitive? no

It's strange to me that you get BiS item in a game mode that requires BiS.
Gear should be normalized/equilized in ranked if you ask me (but you didn't)

I suspect that the only thing you can get that way is ban.

[ShadowWar]

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... oup_ranked

Thanks for that! I didn't do any hard analysis, but it looks like we've got a maybe half a dozen groups that play it. So at least >someone< is participating. I don't agree that a BiS item for the vast majority of builds should be soft-gated behind it for that level of engagement.