Order never wins t4 scenarios

[StormX2]

He may or may not suck, but what I can say is this thread sucks.

That screenshot was a horrible example.

[Teklis]

Spoiler:

Are you just telling that you're sneaking in premades into Nordenwatch?

wezzz tellin u dat you sukkkk

When I say to a destro player "you're bad" I get a 3 days ban. When destro says to me "You suck" he gets a pass.
ROR moderation at it's best.

This isnt the topic for that, drop it. Their's a difference between "you're bad" and then spamming harassment. If you have a problem contact one of our GM's. The person you're quoting has a joke connotation to it.

[uanaka]

I do think shaman are a bit overtuned with their utility, heals, and survivability.

Being nerfed into oblivion is still "a bit overtuned" for you?

Isn't "oblivion" a bit extreme? They still can consistently top damage and heals. This is all anecdotal and i have no solid numbers to back it up, but in my opinion, they feel overtuned. A lvl 30-35 solo shaman should not be able to survive 3-4 people pounding on him, using available knockdowns, staggers, and interrupts for more than like 30-40 seconds. I've had this situation happen a couple times recently and it blows my mind just how much they can do to continue to pull through.

Of course, the inverse also exists, and it's likely a matter of skill gap behind the players, but more often than not, I see shamans pull out amazing numbers. I'll agree to disagree with you, I'm not trying to start up a whole another topic of conversation.

[Sulorie]

A lvl 30-35 solo shaman should not be able to survive 3-4 people pounding on him, using available knockdowns, staggers, and interrupts for more than like 30-40 seconds. I've had this situation happen a couple times recently and it blows my mind just how much they can do to continue to pull through.

Any competent duo can kill a dps shaman, because either they deal enough dmg to overcome the low self heals or they have a healer in grp and high dps and just outlast the shaman.
When 3-4 players fail to kill the shaman, especially a lowlvl one, then it is not the class itself, but the quality of enemy players.

[peterthepan3]

When 3-4 players fail to kill the shaman, especially a lowlvl one, then it is not the class itself, but the quality of enemy players.

^ This. It is entirely a L2P issue if you struggle to kill a lowbie shaman with 4 players (assuming equal skill).

[uanaka]

It was 4 other lowbie random players. Like i mentioned, it's probably skill, but i don't know if I would put the patch as nerfing them into oblivion. They still consistently do well and have good survivability tools. If we can't even agree there, then let's just drop it.

[Sulorie]

It was 4 other lowbie random players. Like i mentioned, it's probably skill, but i don't know if I would put the patch as nerfing them into oblivion. They still consistently do well and have good survivability tools. If we can't even agree there, then let's just drop it.

Their core survivability tool is super high in healing tree, so yes, their builds and possible specs are pretty trash.
No question they can still do well in very small scale, when no healers are present, because their pressure took a big hit too.

[Fiskrens]

It was 4 other lowbie random players. Like i mentioned, it's probably skill, but i don't know if I would put the patch as nerfing them into oblivion. They still consistently do well and have good survivability tools. If we can't even agree there, then let's just drop it.

I think dps shamans are still very strong but are they generally stronger than the other destro rdps? Not really.

[DankKnightRising]

This is pretty funny tbh because I go into scs solo, attack the healer a few times, and order wins. It doesn't always work, sometimes the healer survives, but I know that I'm doing the right thing even when it doesn't work. I have noticed many order players will advocate for killing a rdps first, this idea has merit and should be considered in many situations.

However, a third set of order players believe that tanks are the most unimaginable threat on the battlefield. They simply feel compelled to tank beat. These people are bad and you should make fun of them.

[Arabeth]

nordenwatch is the queue casino! u got unlucky thats all lol