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roadkillrobin
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#21 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:40 pm

Sigimund wrote:10% block strikethrough is unlikely to help when you are being parried to shitters.
2hander was changed to Parry/Block striketrough wasn't it?
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Azarael
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#22 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:43 pm

Niky wrote:My bad english again.

WP have 40% dmg bonus, why?

Because DPS DoK is better if that bonus is not there.

WP and Doks dont have defensive stats now. Maybe they need increase regeneration Fury?

They got it where they needed it.

SM have 2 stackable spirit debufs and reduce cooldowns every 10 sec - WPs can spam chenneling (spirit dmg) without cooldown with terrible spirit debuff, DOKs dont have access to this.

Doesn't matter if you're melee healing.

SL have cooldown debuff for 10 sec with 20 sec CD - Thats finihs for all melehealers DOKs xD 5 sec for TE and 12 sec for RS. WPs dont have this problem.

SL was nerfed in small scale already.

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TenTonHammer
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#23 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:01 pm

Niky wrote:
SL have cooldown debuff for 10 sec with 20 sec CD - Thats finihs for all melehealers DOKs xD 5 sec for TE and 12 sec for RS. WPs dont have this problem.
WPs have to deal with Tired Already? and Not in Da Face!

which is now much better vs single targets than SL
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roadkillrobin
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#24 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:15 pm

Also tried with WP now, i just doesn't get parried with 20% Striketrough + 2hander bonus at the same extent as my DoK was.
(Only tried about 100hits so far tho]

Edit: Doesn't seem to be a parry striketrough on 2hander after comparing numbers to eachother But there's deffintly a blockstriketrough element to it.
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Niky
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#25 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:16 pm

Azarael wrote:
Niky wrote:My bad english again.

WP have 40% dmg bonus, why?

Because DPS DoK is better if that bonus is not there.
Now WPs have good healdebuff, have all tactics like DOKs. He dont have only Devour Essence, but have self parry buff, big initiative debuff and access to spam Hammer of Sigmar, Divine Assault with SM cooldown debuff and spirit debuff.

Additionaly Bonus form 2h, and self armor debuff with crit chanse and crit amount proc.

Why DOK better?
Destro: Mara Nyky / DOK Crystof
Order: SL Niky / BW Nykky / SW Nyky / WL Nikky / SM Ulee
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Sigimund
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#26 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:26 pm

roadkillrobin wrote:
Sigimund wrote:10% block strikethrough is unlikely to help when you are being parried to shitters.
2hander was changed to Parry/Block striketrough wasn't it?
Is this documented anywhere?

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blaqwar
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#27 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:34 pm

Niky wrote:
Azarael wrote:
Niky wrote:My bad english again.

WP have 40% dmg bonus, why?

Because DPS DoK is better if that bonus is not there.
Now WPs have good healdebuff, have all tactics like DOKs. He dont have only Devour Essence, but have self parry buff, big initiative debuff and access to spam Hammer of Sigmar, Divine Assault with SM cooldown debuff and spirit debuff.

Additionaly Bonus form 2h, and self armor debuff with crit chanse and crit amount proc.

Why DOK better?
While WPs have a parry buff DoKs have a parry debuff and while WPs have an initiative debuff DoKs get a toughness debuff. Those might not be equal in strength but they are there, don't try to make the DoK seem underpowered. The two careers are different and unless you want 100% mirrored classes there will have to be these kind of flavour differences between them.

DoKs have access to the same tools in the form of Sorc spirit resist debuff and Choppa Chop Fasta cd decreaser.

The 15% difference in damage bonus is there to account for the bonus DoKs get from Dualwielding and the associated proc damage.

Niky
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#28 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:44 pm

Azarael wrote:
Niky wrote: SM have 2 stackable spirit debufs and reduce cooldowns every 10 sec - WPs can spam chenneling (spirit dmg) without cooldown with terrible spirit debuff, DOKs dont have access to this.
Doesn't matter if you're melee healing.
Why? Doks cant spam Rend Soul without cooldown.
Azarael wrote:
Niky wrote: SL have cooldown debuff for 10 sec with 20 sec CD - That finish for all melehealers DOKs xD 5 sec for TE and 12 sec for RS. WPs dont have this problem.
SL was nerfed in small scale already.
Its real life for MeleHealers. MeleHealerDok not play only small scale, but perma 2-3 sec debuff for healing ability its very hard in small scale too. And killing this idea in oRvR.
Destro: Mara Nyky / DOK Crystof
Order: SL Niky / BW Nykky / SW Nyky / WL Nikky / SM Ulee
Live: WP Eprst

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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#29 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 3:55 pm

blaqwar wrote:
DoKs have access to the same tools in the form of Sorc spirit resist debuff and Choppa Chop Fasta cd decreaser.
With 2m cooldown? And with 2 meledd and sorc in party xD
blaqwar wrote: The 15% difference in damage bonus is there to account for the bonus DoKs get from Dualwielding and the associated proc damage.
DOKs dont have proc damage in new mode.
WPs have buff for 10% parry.
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Order: SL Niky / BW Nykky / SW Nyky / WL Nikky / SM Ulee
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Re: Changelog 19/11/16

Post#30 » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:01 pm

Sigimund wrote:
roadkillrobin wrote:
Sigimund wrote:10% block strikethrough is unlikely to help when you are being parried to shitters.
2hander was changed to Parry/Block striketrough wasn't it?
Is this documented anywhere?
No, because it didn't happen. It's still 10% block strikethrough since the beginning.
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