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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#51 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:46 pm

Azarael wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:40 pm
Sulorie wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:35 pm
Azarael wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:27 pm


It was the wrong direction in which to go, especially with the defense reversion. The existence of Rampage is not the problem; that ID is/was good for both ST and AoE is.
No other class can ignore defense with such a high uptime. Why isn't it considered as too powerful?
To be ever more specific, my stated intention was to make the Slayer 2h spec more effective ST than the AoE spec, and the inverse with respect to AoE. Changing Rampage doesn't accomplish that.

This is true, thanks for clarification.
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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#52 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:48 pm

Azarael wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:40 pm
Toshutkidup wrote:I appreciate the answer. I also agree that rampage isn’t the issue either however my pov could be seen as bias. May I ask what direction you are looking to take Slayer in general? Keep tweeking 2h, change rage usage ??
I intend to tweak Precarious Assault and Reckless Blow further to cover the use case of Spellbreaker, then reform Spellbreaker into a proper 13 pointer instead of a damage spam and potentially adjust Violent Impacts, Spine Breaker and their mirrors.
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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#53 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:57 pm

Ramasee wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:11 pm
It's in one the discussion of last patch.

(((Defensive Stat / Offensive Stat) * 0.075 ) * 100) + Flat Bonuses - Flat Strikethrough = True Rate.
Assuming this is now the formula that's being used (and that I understand it correctly), I've used the stats from my Sorc and Zealot to get an idea of disrupt values against healers now. Both classes are rr70+ in what I believe to be BiS gear.

Sorc: 1017 Intelligence, 7% strikethrough from gear (4% from Conq, 3% from 3pc Genesis).
Zealot: 845 Willpower (Discipline tactic + Ini/Wp buff [+50]), 3% disrupt from gear (2% from Conq, 1% from Genesis Fragment) and full Deft Defender (+14%).

(((845 / 1017) * 0.075) * 100) + 17 - 7 = 16.23156342%

When Deft Defender is back to offering 19% instead of 14%, it will be 21.23%. Reactionary proc on Conq offers a further 10%.

I can't speak for anybody else, but I never found disrupt rates to be particularly egregious against any class other than healers. I have nothing of substance to support this, only a "feeling", but I always felt that an acceptable disrupt rate against a healer would be somewhere in the region of 20-25% (assuming approximately equal level and gear) inclusive of Deft Defender but before any procs and/or additional buffs (Hold the line, IB/BG willpower buffs, Warrior Priest's tactic, etc). The change certainly puts the disrupt values right around there but I'm conscious of it coming at the cost of casters now over performing against all non healers.
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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#54 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:21 pm

The swing from introducing True Strike to removing it AND reverting defense calculations in such a small time frame feels rushed and disoriented but maybe there is just a lot happening behind the scenes that i don't see.

Sad to see True Strike go - i liked the addition- i always found the defensive renown abilities overperforming which lead to less variety.

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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#55 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:46 pm

Thank Grimnir on the the Rampage reversion patch. AoE spec nerf was not the way to make 2h spec better. Looking forward to seeing what that tree gets.
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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#56 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:54 pm

Flames of Rhuin is still not procing from dot ticks. Also wildfire tactic is not procing with spreading flames.

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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#57 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:17 pm

Carcasov wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:54 pm
Flames of Rhuin is still not procing from dot ticks. Also wildfire tactic is not procing with spreading flames.
Spreading flames on ror was never proccing anything. It is a dot that doesn't have a direct damage component in it.

Though the only reason to pick up spreading flames, would be if it procced wildfire, otherwise it's a completely useless skill of not gcd worth.
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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#58 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:40 pm

Reesh wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:17 pm
Carcasov wrote:
Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:54 pm
Flames of Rhuin is still not procing from dot ticks. Also wildfire tactic is not procing with spreading flames.
Spreading flames on ror was never proccing anything. It is a dot that doesn't have a direct damage component in it.

Though the only reason to pick up spreading flames, would be if it procced wildfire, otherwise it's a completely useless skill of not gcd worth.
Now FoR should proc from dot ticks, including spreading flames

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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#59 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:13 pm

What is the intention for Squig Herder's Indigestion?

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Re: Server Patch notes 14/08/2018

Post#60 » Tue Aug 14, 2018 10:17 pm

It's normal those 2 golds to respec the renown?

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