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CountTalabecland
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#161 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:58 pm

Aww **** here we go again.

Rampage and GTDC are pretty equivalent. Both are really strong abilities. The ability to pull all the squishies to you as an mdps is huge. Furthermore, its undefendable and when you have 4 choppas in a wb it is a free stun/interrupt on half the enemy wb.

Rampage is good for making sure shatter limbs lands. Especially now that aoe cap is bigger to make sure healers get hit. Still stand by the fact that if you are in a wb, you are a slayer, and you target a tank or mdps, you are doing it wrong and not pressuring backline to bring the fight to an end.

No nerf needed.
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#162 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:50 pm

CountTalabecland wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:58 pm

Rampage is good for making sure shatter limbs lands.
Melee SH want something similar too, because they want to land their cd increaser more reliable as well. This really is no convincing argument for rampage. :)
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#163 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:29 pm

Sulorie wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:50 pm
CountTalabecland wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:58 pm

Rampage is good for making sure shatter limbs lands.
Melee SH want something similar too, because they want to land their cd increaser more reliable as well. This really is no convincing argument for rampage. :)
There's tons of convincing arguments for Rampage, they're all just for nerfing it.
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#164 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:44 pm

not going back to the past pages, did someone discussed about this:

patch diff for chosen and knight

chosen
proc on parry not, not on crit hit (Tank = defensive = has any way more parry not crit chance, before you needed to get some Critical Chance now you just can use parry)
This proc buff Str and Wp (= more dmg and parry = Buffed)
Disc Winds do spirit DMG but allow 20% less healing (tactic "Embrace the Winds" = +15% more healing also Tank = defensive = reduce incoming dmg by far more as 20% = buffed, with piercing repel not really a problem)
(just a hint for balancing, start with Backlash to parry based and not 1/4 change to response an Attach with 250 ele.dmg)

knight
Stay focused lose a positive effect = nerf (Chosen core tactic "Powerfrom the Gods" + 15 Ap Reg or "Feed on the Weary" drain 40 AP is not that important as chosen has to much other not buffed stuff to choose)
Reg or "Feed on the Weary" drain 40 AP is not that important as chosen has to much other not buffed stuff to choose)
Mighty Soul is core = buff
Mighty soul converty all outgoing dmg to Elemental = buff
Mighty soul increase incoming dmg by 15% = nerf
Runefang not core = nerf
Runefang loses Weaponskill = nerf

Sum Chosen vs Knight
3 Buffed vs 2 Buffed and 5 Nerf = chosen +3 Knight -3 = chosen wins with +6 :)

I guess there is not really a calculator needed to see that something went really wrong, (again) as with the SH or fort without limitation.

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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#165 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:14 pm

wargrimnir wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:34 pm
If you ever wonder why we don't touch balance for months at a time, this thread is a great example. It brings out the worst in people posting on the forums. Imagine if we actually started making large changes.
Well, knight/chosen were the best utility tanks in game by a mile. And they still are.
They were also the worst damage dealers in the game. And they still are also.

So what was accomplished by this change, except annoying, and rightly so, the bunch of people that were using these old tactics in lolbuilds for fun ? In game balance term, nothing was accomplished. So why would people like a change like this ?
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#166 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:21 pm

Eathisword wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:14 pm
wargrimnir wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:34 pm
If you ever wonder why we don't touch balance for months at a time, this thread is a great example. It brings out the worst in people posting on the forums. Imagine if we actually started making large changes.
Well, knight/chosen were the best utility tanks in game by a mile. And they still are.
They were also the worst damage dealers in the game. And they still are also.

So what was accomplished by this change, except annoying, and rightly so, the bunch of people that were using these old tactics in lolbuilds for fun ? In game balance term, nothing was accomplished. So why would people like a change like this ?
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#167 » Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:28 pm

Eathisword wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:14 pm
wargrimnir wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:34 pm
If you ever wonder why we don't touch balance for months at a time, this thread is a great example. It brings out the worst in people posting on the forums. Imagine if we actually started making large changes.
Well, knight/chosen were the best utility tanks in game by a mile. And they still are.
They were also the worst damage dealers in the game. And they still are also.

So what was accomplished by this change, except annoying, and rightly so, the bunch of people that were using these old tactics in lolbuilds for fun ? In game balance term, nothing was accomplished. So why would people like a change like this ?
That somehow justifies attacking staff? That's all I'm talking about. If you want to criticize the changes with legitimate feedback that's great and I would hope that brings additional changes.

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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#168 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:48 am

Sulorie wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:50 pm
CountTalabecland wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:58 pm

Rampage is good for making sure shatter limbs lands.
Melee SH want something similar too, because they want to land their cd increaser more reliable as well. This really is no convincing argument for rampage. :)
Sure you can nerf/remove rampage. Just give slayer pounce, channel knockback, aoe knockback, self punt, and survivability of MSH in that case and it will be fair.

In what world are you trying to argue that MSH somehow has a hard time getting to where it wants to land its cd increaser? What is more reliable than pouncing over the melee and everyone else directly to the healers?

Slayer on the other hand, has to walk through the melee train, sorc focus, and everything else in the world in an attempt to get close enough and not get punted/pulled away. I think its fair to be able to bypass parry on the way as a utility ability (that also exhausts rage btw).
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#169 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:51 am

Manatikik wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 8:29 pm
Sulorie wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:50 pm
CountTalabecland wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:58 pm

Rampage is good for making sure shatter limbs lands.
Melee SH want something similar too, because they want to land their cd increaser more reliable as well. This really is no convincing argument for rampage. :)
There's tons of convincing arguments for Rampage, they're all just for nerfing it.
Rampage is fine as is and does not need to be nerfed/given to destro. Slayer is slow, has 1 reliable snare and one meh exhaustive snare. Other than that it has no means of getting to an opponent or holding them by it except for exhaustive knockdown. Yes Slayer has a good tool that destro doesnt have, but it also has its own severe drawbacks, this is how the game was designed and it is fine as is. No need to “fix it.”
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Re: Patch Notes 04/01/2020

Post#170 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:32 am

wargrimnir wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:46 pm
horrigan wrote:
Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:39 pm
any chance you will do a dmg spiritual for slayer?
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