Patch Notes 23/10/2020

[baumkopf]

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"Not gonna queue for ranked like this, its a liability to your team to not bring any meaningful dps pressure from tanks in 6v6." This just shows that you have 0 clue, you dont play 2h kotbs to deal dmg or have pressure through dealing DPS in ranked, It´s a pure support class in 6vs6. You carry through well timed CC. If you are paired with a 2h IB or SM your team should have enough Dmg anyways. Of course your meme DPS spec with mighty Soul works if the enemy isn´t able to put out any pressure. Once you face stronger opponents this will lose you the game tho. You aren´t a "liability" at all playing full defensive 2h spec.
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I'm not gonna argue your points, might have taken it a bit too far by calling it a liability, and you are right in all but one.
I have faced stronger opponents that held up under pressure(obviously i'm talking from a ranked SOLO perspective here), and it wasn't me or the healers that lost us the game due to me not cc'ing properly or sustaining too much pressure from MS, you can get 10% reduced dmg taken/dealt for just 10 renown points, negating it almost fully. It was, in most cases, a lack of focus dmg.

Its frustrating if youre guarding a lacklustre dps in ranked solo and cant do anything about it, all the cc-carrying in the world wont help you with underperforming dps. With MS at least you were able to do something about it, even if that wasnt much.

Also, thanks for calling me clueless.

[sogeou]

I'm not sure why there is this blind spot when it comes to WLs and their dominance.

Give some other classes their time in the sun or give WLs the Chosen treatment. So much dev attention is spent on WLs to keep them in tip top shape in the solo roaming meta.

Still waiting for those screen shots for a move hitting like a truck where they got NO damage increase. Also, WL's got 4 nerfs in a row. Maybe you are the problem. Maybe you are bad and cannot play well, I see only a handful of good WL's. Most are using terrible gear setups or the wrong tactics. Some are AoE and others are not even using the strongest spec. Shaman will almost never die to a WL, SH have an easy counter, all Tanks can kill WL's without any problems. Dok as well, along with the Magus. Mara vs WL depends on both user's spec. That leaves sorcs which none are ever solo and hiding behind a zerg or 6 man. SO... What class has problems?

User error I think.

[sogeou]

I'm not gonna argue your points, might have taken it a bit too far by calling it a liability, and you are right in all but one.
I have faced stronger opponents that held up under pressure(obviously i'm talking from a ranked SOLO perspective here), and it wasn't me or the healers that lost us the game due to me not cc'ing properly or sustaining too much pressure from MS, you can get 10% reduced dmg taken/dealt for just 10 renown points, negating it almost fully. It was, in most cases, a lack of focus dmg.

Its frustrating if youre guarding a lacklustre dps in ranked solo and cant do anything about it, all the cc-carrying in the world wont help you with underperforming dps. With MS at least you were able to do something about it, even if that wasnt much.

Also, thanks for calling me clueless.

The real problem is chosen DPS is about double of that to the knight. Knight got hit because of the Chosen. A good change could have been make the tactic need a shield or make it reduce all defensive stats by 50% ( Tanks are not DPS this would lower all their stats to make them more in line with Melee DPS).

[Tarantoga]

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In the case of KOTBS vs Chosen:

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Knight, by the way, was hit equally by the Mighty Soul change as their autoattack is once again physical damage.

They already deal massively more damage than Knight does, and the Elemental damage autoattacks from Knights were also removed at the same time. Knight getting a few more elemental attacks isn't too big of a deal - it's hard enough to stack strength and defensive stats as it is, so this only grants them a small damage boost. Any Knight player also knows their attacks don't scale well with strength anyways.

Also, any Knight/Chosen that ran the revamped Mighty Soul... you better not have ran that in ranked!

Ultimately, it puts those two classes in line with where we want their damage.

Well, after 7 months of playing this amazing project, you just triggered my first forum post.

Let me start off by saying, i came back to this game with the lazy peon wave. The game has changed A LOT during this relatively short period of time, and i can imagine that most players have been around long enough to have become indifferent to changes like the one in the quote(only concerning 2 classes with niche specs, irrelevant for most). As wargrimnir said somewhere, things change, and i am very much the kind of gamer that adapts to the setting and possibilities of a game. I have enjoyed this thoroughly here, it was quite a challenge learning enough to be nearly competent in the different scales of pvp in RoR.

Sadly, many players cant be bothered with that kind of attitude, so we've seen a lot of the lazypeon-people drop off, most of em to complaints that were shortsighted. I do not spill many tears for them leaving, neither do any of you. But having all the names i lvled up with disappear over time made me adapt in a different way, namely playing my knight (that i really got to love the way it was designed) and maximizing my impact while not having proper dps to guard.

This led me to discover mighty soul, and boy did i have fun with it. After gearing and tweaking my renown build especially for use of that tactic i started queuing for ranked, since smallscale pvp has always been the part for me where individual skill matters, and you get amazing nailbiter-matches...

You might not remember me, but ive played a few ranked solos alongside you Secrets, games where we absolutely stomped destro in the ground, at one occasion i remember you calling out in chat that you loved all of us.

EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. OF. RANKED. I. DID. WAS. WITH. MIGHTY SOUL.SLOTTED.

I am writing this wall of text not to share my sad story or complain, i will try to adapt to this like every other change i may have liked or not, but i want to tell you this removal (at least for knight) was wrong. Even with mighty soul warrior priests in their shieldspec did more damage than i did, and all the tactic served for was to get good sustained dmg on any target whatsoever, be they mdps with armor stacked or tanks. Ive never seen anyone complain about OP 800 dmg crit autoattacks from a knight... how is that averse to the devs vision for the game?

Now all of that is gone, ive played a few games since patch, hitting things for around 150 dmg where before it would have been close to 400. Not gonna queue for ranked like this, its a liability to your team to not bring any meaningful dps pressure from tanks in 6v6. Good riddance to the dps meme knight i guess... I am just happy right now i lvled another class i enjoy playing.

"Not gonna queue for ranked like this, its a liability to your team to not bring any meaningful dps pressure from tanks in 6v6." This just shows that you have 0 clue, you dont play 2h kotbs to deal dmg or have pressure through dealing DPS in ranked, It´s a pure support class in 6vs6. You carry through well timed CC. If you are paired with a 2h IB or SM your team should have enough Dmg anyways. Of course your meme DPS spec with mighty Soul works if the enemy isn´t able to put out any pressure. Once you face stronger opponents this will lose you the game tho. You aren´t a "liability" at all playing full defensive 2h spec.

who decides that kotbs can only be a pure support class? you? and trying to max the dps besides beeing a supportive tank is just the same all other tanks are doing... oO thats why noone wears snb in ranked, right?

[blechkautz]

Well, after 7 months of playing this amazing project, you just triggered my first forum post.

Let me start off by saying, i came back to this game with the lazy peon wave. The game has changed A LOT during this relatively short period of time, and i can imagine that most players have been around long enough to have become indifferent to changes like the one in the quote(only concerning 2 classes with niche specs, irrelevant for most). As wargrimnir said somewhere, things change, and i am very much the kind of gamer that adapts to the setting and possibilities of a game. I have enjoyed this thoroughly here, it was quite a challenge learning enough to be nearly competent in the different scales of pvp in RoR.

Sadly, many players cant be bothered with that kind of attitude, so we've seen a lot of the lazypeon-people drop off, most of em to complaints that were shortsighted. I do not spill many tears for them leaving, neither do any of you. But having all the names i lvled up with disappear over time made me adapt in a different way, namely playing my knight (that i really got to love the way it was designed) and maximizing my impact while not having proper dps to guard.

This led me to discover mighty soul, and boy did i have fun with it. After gearing and tweaking my renown build especially for use of that tactic i started queuing for ranked, since smallscale pvp has always been the part for me where individual skill matters, and you get amazing nailbiter-matches...

You might not remember me, but ive played a few ranked solos alongside you Secrets, games where we absolutely stomped destro in the ground, at one occasion i remember you calling out in chat that you loved all of us.

EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. OF. RANKED. I. DID. WAS. WITH. MIGHTY SOUL.SLOTTED.

I am writing this wall of text not to share my sad story or complain, i will try to adapt to this like every other change i may have liked or not, but i want to tell you this removal (at least for knight) was wrong. Even with mighty soul warrior priests in their shieldspec did more damage than i did, and all the tactic served for was to get good sustained dmg on any target whatsoever, be they mdps with armor stacked or tanks. Ive never seen anyone complain about OP 800 dmg crit autoattacks from a knight... how is that averse to the devs vision for the game?

Now all of that is gone, ive played a few games since patch, hitting things for around 150 dmg where before it would have been close to 400. Not gonna queue for ranked like this, its a liability to your team to not bring any meaningful dps pressure from tanks in 6v6. Good riddance to the dps meme knight i guess... I am just happy right now i lvled another class i enjoy playing.

"Not gonna queue for ranked like this, its a liability to your team to not bring any meaningful dps pressure from tanks in 6v6." This just shows that you have 0 clue, you dont play 2h kotbs to deal dmg or have pressure through dealing DPS in ranked, It´s a pure support class in 6vs6. You carry through well timed CC. If you are paired with a 2h IB or SM your team should have enough Dmg anyways. Of course your meme DPS spec with mighty Soul works if the enemy isn´t able to put out any pressure. Once you face stronger opponents this will lose you the game tho. You aren´t a "liability" at all playing full defensive 2h spec.

who decides that kotbs can only be a pure support class? you? and trying to max the dps besides beeing a supportive tank is just the same all other tanks are doing... oO thats why noone wears snb in ranked, right?

No. No one plays SnB kotbs/chosen in ranked, because you loose the cd reduction on your punt.

[Detangler]

Real great change to the Chosen. I'm sure that you'll never ever see Chosens spam Ravage and still get the same damage numbers as when they were slotting Discordant Winds, because Ravage does... spirit damage... and is... spammable.

2H Chosen can still access Relentless, Touch of Palsy, and Ravage with spirit damage, so... congrats on making their auto attacks do physical now? That'll really lower Chosen numbers, cause we all know autoattack is where the real damage comes from.

The numbers wont change from Chosen, just that they cant spam undefendable attacks with spirit damage (Cleave + Discordant Winds)

Has there been a plague of sword/board DW spamming Chosens hurting people's feelings out solo while i've been gone these past few months? 2H Chosens don't need this tactic to put the hurt on you, and I thought I was pretty much the only moron that ran a DPS sword/board build out in the lakes.

Thanks for keeping me away from the server with this change tho, not sure i'd like to go thru cities all over again after you ruined my full sov/warlord Chosen build. Appreciate it.

[Ramlaen]

Natherul was against mirroring the ability, and I agree.

Nath wanted to nerf old Runefang so KOBS were given Mighty Soul in return (your statement, not mine).

Shouldn't the removal of Mighty Soul mean KOBS are given old Runefang back?

[Boernsen]

"Not gonna queue for ranked like this, its a liability to your team to not bring any meaningful dps pressure from tanks in 6v6." This just shows that you have 0 clue, you dont play 2h kotbs to deal dmg or have pressure through dealing DPS in ranked, It´s a pure support class in 6vs6. You carry through well timed CC. If you are paired with a 2h IB or SM your team should have enough Dmg anyways. Of course your meme DPS spec with mighty Soul works if the enemy isn´t able to put out any pressure. Once you face stronger opponents this will lose you the game tho. You aren´t a "liability" at all playing full defensive 2h spec.

who decides that kotbs can only be a pure support class? you? and trying to max the dps besides beeing a supportive tank is just the same all other tanks are doing... oO thats why noone wears snb in ranked, right?

No. No one plays SnB kotbs/chosen in ranked, because you loose the cd reduction on your punt.

Exactly, you play 2h for 10 sec punt cd and 10 % aoe crit debuff on wounds debuff, im not even surprised most of you Mighty Soul users dont know the reason why you play 2h kotbs in ranked. These responses just just how bad the average player on this server is.

[anarchypark]

[World]

- Some of the original voice acting has been added to various NPCs. There's still a lot of it left that needs appropriate triggers added.

first thing i noticed was zombies saying
brains...

might hunt more zombies for just fun hearing 'brains'

and city dungeon's influence increased again?

[Tarantoga]

who decides that kotbs can only be a pure support class? you? and trying to max the dps besides beeing a supportive tank is just the same all other tanks are doing... oO thats why noone wears snb in ranked, right?

No. No one plays SnB kotbs/chosen in ranked, because you loose the cd reduction on your punt.

Exactly, you play 2h for 10 sec punt cd and 10 % aoe crit debuff on wounds debuff, im not even surprised most of you Mighty Soul users dont know the reason why you play 2h kotbs in ranked. These responses just just how bad the average player on this server is.

and otherwhise you would play it snb. ok