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Elvicof
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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#101 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:57 am

Spellbound wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:12 pm
Ramlaen wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:54 pm
Elvicof wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 2:30 pm

Should probably be looked into, but there are plenty of other things. Like a passive wounds buff just by being grped with a wp
More one way mirroring.
Yes, Destro on the server just want more one way mirroring without realizing they got most Order abilities mirrored, yet Order has less Destro abilities. You don't see Windblock, Winds of Insanity, Mara AoE Knockdown, GTDC, Shaman auto-detaunt, etc., being requested. Just same abilities, but being put on instant cast for SM like BO with tactic. This isn't the crowd I know to explain things to on forums, why I don't post here much.
Not asking for more abilities, just pointing out that there are plenty of abilities that are unique on both sides.

But your crusade for order is blinding you
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teiloh
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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#102 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:46 am

Catpiss wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:22 am Maybe you should have picked a different screenshot to illustrate your point then.
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Hello? I picked the screenshot because it displays the "uber damage" that Funnel Power does. If it's just a 98 avg tick on direct damage only, it's not a "15-20%" damage boost unless BWs only do 490-633 average damage on a GCD and nothing else.

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teiloh
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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#103 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:54 am

Elvicof wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:57 am But your crusade for order is blinding you
There are far fewer after all the one-way mirroring to Destro that's happened.

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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#104 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:06 am

teiloh wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:27 am
emiliorv wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:20 pm Well really maths look hard for you...
56 dmg tick on a 280 FB hit its +20%
56 dmg tick on a 514 FB hit (crit) its +10.8%
92 dmg tick (crit) on a 280 FB hit +32.8%
92 dmg tick (crit) on a 514 FB hit (crit) its +17.8%

So funnel power adds +10-11% at minimun and 32-33% at max => well not look bad
Because FBB splash damage is 100% of Wizard DPS?

Lets make it so Sorc IW hits for 200 then, then Shades of Death can be a 50% damage boost!!
FBB is the spell showed in the SS that you posted, and its the spell wich triggered that funnel power ticks => so that numbers are correct looking at that SS.

Shades of death its a ST spell, its trash compared to funnel power (and still its a 13point skill and funnel power 5pt...) and never ever will boost the dmg of IW by 50%...

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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#105 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:20 am

teiloh wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:46 am
Catpiss wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:22 am Maybe you should have picked a different screenshot to illustrate your point then.
Hello? I picked the screenshot because it displays the "uber damage" that Funnel Power does. If it's just a 98 avg tick on direct damage only, it's not a "15-20%" damage boost unless BWs only do 490-633 average damage on a GCD and nothing else.
As i posted before +92 dmg tick on a 514 hit its +17.8% => plz tell us what is your average dmg by GCD on your BW, looks like you are hitting like double of that dmg in aoe by GCD...

Elvicof
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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#106 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:46 am

teiloh wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:54 am
Elvicof wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:57 am But your crusade for order is blinding you
There are far fewer after all the one-way mirroring to Destro that's happened.

Ancestor's Echo, Regen Shielding, Mountain Spirit

Desperation (Mythic) on WH

Ranged Finishers (Mythic) on WE


CD Reducer on BO

Pounce on Squig, Buff for Bad Gas/Indigestion, now RKD for Squig, etc.
Are you bringing up stuff that was done in live version, cause you are missing quite a few balancing step done between the "mirrors" then
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Ramlaen
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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#107 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:10 pm

Elvicof wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:57 am
Spellbound wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:12 pm
Ramlaen wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 5:54 pm

More one way mirroring.
Yes, Destro on the server just want more one way mirroring without realizing they got most Order abilities mirrored, yet Order has less Destro abilities. You don't see Windblock, Winds of Insanity, Mara AoE Knockdown, GTDC, Shaman auto-detaunt, etc., being requested. Just same abilities, but being put on instant cast for SM like BO with tactic. This isn't the crowd I know to explain things to on forums, why I don't post here much.
Not asking for more abilities, just pointing out that there are plenty of abilities that are unique on both sides.

But your crusade for order is blinding you
One would think you would have mentioned a unique ability that wins fights, like Rampage, given the context of the discussion. Perphaps because that list of unique abilities isn't quite as long.
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emiliorv
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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#108 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:29 pm

Ramlaen wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:10 pm
Spoiler:
Elvicof wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:57 am
Spellbound wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 6:12 pm

Yes, Destro on the server just want more one way mirroring without realizing they got most Order abilities mirrored, yet Order has less Destro abilities. You don't see Windblock, Winds of Insanity, Mara AoE Knockdown, GTDC, Shaman auto-detaunt, etc., being requested. Just same abilities, but being put on instant cast for SM like BO with tactic. This isn't the crowd I know to explain things to on forums, why I don't post here much.
Not asking for more abilities, just pointing out that there are plenty of abilities that are unique on both sides.

But your crusade for order is blinding you
One would think you would have mentioned a unique ability that wins fights, like Rampage, given the context of the discussion. Perphaps because that list of unique abilities isn't quite as long.

isn't?
Both sides have plenty of unique abilities (IMO)

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teiloh
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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#109 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 8:25 pm

emiliorv wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 10:06 am
teiloh wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 3:27 am
emiliorv wrote: Thu Dec 10, 2020 11:20 pm Well really maths look hard for you...
56 dmg tick on a 280 FB hit its +20%
56 dmg tick on a 514 FB hit (crit) its +10.8%
92 dmg tick (crit) on a 280 FB hit +32.8%
92 dmg tick (crit) on a 514 FB hit (crit) its +17.8%

So funnel power adds +10-11% at minimun and 32-33% at max => well not look bad
Because FBB splash damage is 100% of Wizard DPS?

Lets make it so Sorc IW hits for 200 then, then Shades of Death can be a 50% damage boost!!
FBB is the spell showed in the SS that you posted, and its the spell wich triggered that funnel power ticks => so that numbers are correct looking at that SS.

Shades of death its a ST spell, its trash compared to funnel power (and still its a 13point skill and funnel power 5pt...) and never ever will boost the dmg of IW by 50%...
Fire Breath, a DoT is a huge part of BW damage, as are various proccing tactics and Flames of Rhuin, none of which trigger Funnel Power. Meanwhile the Sorc gets a debuff advantage of 150-780 points depending on spec and damage type chosen.

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Ramlaen
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Re: Patch Notes 09/12/2020

Post#110 » Fri Dec 11, 2020 9:49 pm

emiliorv wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:29 pm
Ramlaen wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 5:10 pm
Spoiler:
Elvicof wrote: Fri Dec 11, 2020 6:57 am

Not asking for more abilities, just pointing out that there are plenty of abilities that are unique on both sides.

But your crusade for order is blinding you
One would think you would have mentioned a unique ability that wins fights, like Rampage, given the context of the discussion. Perphaps because that list of unique abilities isn't quite as long.

isn't?
Both sides have plenty of unique abilities (IMO)
Both sides have a some unique abilities, far fewer than in the past due to (mostly) one way mirroring of specific abilities that had big impacts on the outcome of fights.

The WP wounds buff is a red herring in the context of this topic.
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