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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#461 » Mon May 24, 2021 10:18 pm

agemennon675 wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:26 pm

How many times do we have to repeat this: '' RvR progression is about who has the most players online in lakes or which side have more leaders running organised warbands''
And city results is about where are the most rdps in queue and on the other hand, where are the organized guilds in queue. It means little.
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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#462 » Mon May 24, 2021 11:35 pm

Spellbound wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:00 pm
Spoiler:
Moros wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 7:26 pm
Hey all,
I´m really disappointed about this last patch and the containing nerf on Destro classes. I think I´m someone who trys always keep an eye on both sides of the medal and often protected order class buffs.
Although I´m a Destro Player. I prefere "balanced" fights (fyi I´m still having more lvl 40 Order toons than on Destro and me and my guild mates are always discussing about class mechanics).
I´m not writing here because of things like the Squig nerf which is strange but this class was way to strong.
I´m writing here because of removing things like Waaagh from BO or giving Wp the equvivalent for Tzeentch Talon which are really bad and silly actions. I was never complaining about nerfs on Destro side but this patch brings the barrel to overflow.
Order is always complaining about Destro has 2 cdr, destro has gtdc, destro has cf. I dont want to enumerate all thinks Order has and Destro hasn´t.
It would take a way tooooooo long but why are you disassembling classes like Bo on Destro side?
What about mirroring or removing RAMPAGE (which is one of the strongest skills in game Choppa has Keep on Choppin on the same spot which is an exausted blow and a real joke) or inviteable doom(also here look on Choppas equvivalent)??
What about thinks like Kotbs tactic with 15% more heal or Wp 20% more heal on defending, what about Wp wounds buff and Sigmars Shield or the Dwarfen Armor tactic(nerf Armor talis in one of the last patches and don´t touch it???)
or the Dwarfen Stoutness of Stone tactic which half the time of CC (I prefere small scale fights which means CC is an important way to win......
so 1 IB 2 Slayer and RP which are laughing about your CC is really great utillity including a skill multiplied by 2 which is ignoring all defense from your target for 20secs with 30sec cd called Rampage is woooow and I cant find any equvivalent or mirror on Destro).


Would this be the next step of incomming nerf: Destro toons keyboard binds are now disabled for abilities and can only be bound to movement. All abilities must now be clicked to be on fair terms with their order opposition play style!! joking and stolen from Houdi MRP but this made my day.

Cheers
Destro won city today 8-1, tied 3-3 last night, 3-1 destro, 7-2 destro win before it. They’re still fine in small scale and not broken. They didn’t go from god mode tank to garbage because of CDR.

Constantly hear what are they supposed to do now. Maybe learn the class and how to tank rather than CDR bot they treated you as.
This was discussed at length over the previous months, but aoemdps meta favors destro, because it has more aoemdps options, with only 1 real contender to mST, unlike Order.

(And the CDR/Morale changes are unlikely to impact you too much, unless you plan to contest Slayer ball abusers, which were never representative of the overall Order winrate.)

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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#463 » Tue May 25, 2021 1:24 am

Shogun4138 wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:23 pm
Spellbound wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:00 pm
Moros wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 7:26 pm
Hey all,
I´m really disappointed about this last patch and the containing nerf on Destro classes. I think I´m someone who trys always keep an eye on both sides of the medal and often protected order class buffs.
Although I´m a Destro Player. I prefere "balanced" fights (fyi I´m still having more lvl 40 Order toons than on Destro and me and my guild mates are always discussing about class mechanics).
I´m not writing here because of things like the Squig nerf which is strange but this class was way to strong.
I´m writing here because of removing things like Waaagh from BO or giving Wp the equvivalent for Tzeentch Talon which are really bad and silly actions. I was never complaining about nerfs on Destro side but this patch brings the barrel to overflow.
Order is always complaining about Destro has 2 cdr, destro has gtdc, destro has cf. I dont want to enumerate all thinks Order has and Destro hasn´t.
It would take a way tooooooo long but why are you disassembling classes like Bo on Destro side?
What about mirroring or removing RAMPAGE (which is one of the strongest skills in game Choppa has Keep on Choppin on the same spot which is an exausted blow and a real joke) or inviteable doom(also here look on Choppas equvivalent)??
What about thinks like Kotbs tactic with 15% more heal or Wp 20% more heal on defending, what about Wp wounds buff and Sigmars Shield or the Dwarfen Armor tactic(nerf Armor talis in one of the last patches and don´t touch it???)
or the Dwarfen Stoutness of Stone tactic which half the time of CC (I prefere small scale fights which means CC is an important way to win......
so 1 IB 2 Slayer and RP which are laughing about your CC is really great utillity including a skill multiplied by 2 which is ignoring all defense from your target for 20secs with 30sec cd called Rampage is woooow and I cant find any equvivalent or mirror on Destro).


Would this be the next step of incomming nerf: Destro toons keyboard binds are now disabled for abilities and can only be bound to movement. All abilities must now be clicked to be on fair terms with their order opposition play style!! joking and stolen from Houdi MRP but this made my day.

Cheers
Destro won city today 8-1, tied 3-3 last night, 3-1 destro, 7-2 destro win before it. They’re still fine in small scale and not broken. They didn’t go from god mode tank to garbage because of CDR.

Constantly hear what are they supposed to do now. Maybe learn the class and how to tank rather than CDR bot they treated you as.
Since this morning Order is on their 3rd city push.
Zerging is numbers, not balance related.
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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#464 » Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm

Spellbound wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:00 pm
Moros wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 7:26 pm
Hey all,
I´m really disappointed about this last patch and the containing nerf on Destro classes. I think I´m someone who trys always keep an eye on both sides of the medal and often protected order class buffs.
Although I´m a Destro Player. I prefere "balanced" fights (fyi I´m still having more lvl 40 Order toons than on Destro and me and my guild mates are always discussing about class mechanics).
I´m not writing here because of things like the Squig nerf which is strange but this class was way to strong.
I´m writing here because of removing things like Waaagh from BO or giving Wp the equvivalent for Tzeentch Talon which are really bad and silly actions. I was never complaining about nerfs on Destro side but this patch brings the barrel to overflow.
Order is always complaining about Destro has 2 cdr, destro has gtdc, destro has cf. I dont want to enumerate all thinks Order has and Destro hasn´t.
It would take a way tooooooo long but why are you disassembling classes like Bo on Destro side?
What about mirroring or removing RAMPAGE (which is one of the strongest skills in game Choppa has Keep on Choppin on the same spot which is an exausted blow and a real joke) or inviteable doom(also here look on Choppas equvivalent)??
What about thinks like Kotbs tactic with 15% more heal or Wp 20% more heal on defending, what about Wp wounds buff and Sigmars Shield or the Dwarfen Armor tactic(nerf Armor talis in one of the last patches and don´t touch it???)
or the Dwarfen Stoutness of Stone tactic which half the time of CC (I prefere small scale fights which means CC is an important way to win......
so 1 IB 2 Slayer and RP which are laughing about your CC is really great utillity including a skill multiplied by 2 which is ignoring all defense from your target for 20secs with 30sec cd called Rampage is woooow and I cant find any equvivalent or mirror on Destro).


Would this be the next step of incomming nerf: Destro toons keyboard binds are now disabled for abilities and can only be bound to movement. All abilities must now be clicked to be on fair terms with their order opposition play style!! joking and stolen from Houdi MRP but this made my day.

Cheers
Destro won city today 8-1, tied 3-3 last night, 3-1 destro, 7-2 destro win before it. They’re still fine in small scale and not broken. They didn’t go from god mode tank to garbage because of CDR.

Constantly hear what are they supposed to do now. Maybe learn the class and how to tank rather than CDR bot they treated you as.

Would be nice if the rest of us could see that data so we don't have to rely on realm champions communicating with us.
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CountTalabecland
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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#465 » Tue May 25, 2021 8:53 pm

Destro usually has more ppl online in ORvR for most of the day before EU Prime and during.

They tend to push zones and then fall apart on a fort and NA Order logs and take fairly empty zones. When dest has pop majority they wipe the floor with Order pug wbs made of crappy RDPS and 2 healers.

Balancing around cities is an entirely different question then looking at zones. As is trying to balance forts. Destro constantly failing to take Forts is the primary reason that Altdorf is at 5 stars all the time. If they could win the first fort push of the day when they have higher numbers Altdorf would rarely be 5 stars.
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Dondabon
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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#466 » Tue May 25, 2021 8:59 pm

Spellbound wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 1:24 am
Shogun4138 wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:23 pm
Spellbound wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:00 pm


Destro won city today 8-1, tied 3-3 last night, 3-1 destro, 7-2 destro win before it. They’re still fine in small scale and not broken. They didn’t go from god mode tank to garbage because of CDR.

Constantly hear what are they supposed to do now. Maybe learn the class and how to tank rather than CDR bot they treated you as.
Since this morning Order is on their 3rd city push.
Zerging is numbers, not balance related.
City is amount of organized guilds/wbs quing, not balance related. No amount of nerfs u do to destro will prevent organized 2/2/2 group playing on regular basis with each other together stomping random 20 dps pugs.
And, if anything I expect more wins of destro in cities after those changes, as population is higher on order, so most of guilds go destro side, having more time to form.

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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#467 » Tue May 25, 2021 9:34 pm

Spellbound wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:07 pm
emiliorv wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 3:22 pm
wargrimnir wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 3:04 pm


You know that doesn't make any more sense for them to gain soul essence, but you seem to be out of arguments otherwise. Every point I made is still valid even when applied inversely.
The tooltip says It clearly, build soul essence.....was working as intended.
The ability was working correctly according with the tooltip for last 20 years....
Now you want to change It to mirror the WP detaunt...OK.
20 years eh? This isn’t DAOC from 2001.
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wargrimnir wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 1:07 am
20 years of working wrong don't make it right.

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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#468 » Tue May 25, 2021 9:55 pm

emiliorv wrote:
Tue May 25, 2021 9:34 pm
Spellbound wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 9:07 pm
emiliorv wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 3:22 pm


The tooltip says It clearly, build soul essence.....was working as intended.
The ability was working correctly according with the tooltip for last 20 years....
Now you want to change It to mirror the WP detaunt...OK.
20 years eh? This isn’t DAOC from 2001.
All credits to warg

wargrimnir wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 1:07 am
20 years of working wrong don't make it right.



The cognitive dissonance to not realize I was responding to you in the first place. Amazing, truly.


wargrimnir wrote:
Mon May 24, 2021 1:07 am
emiliorv wrote:
Sun May 23, 2021 9:42 pm

looks like the statement of "its working like this for 20 years" only apply to rampage....
20 years of working wrong don't make it right.
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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#469 » Tue May 25, 2021 10:52 pm

There's certainly a number of abilities that have been kept like live because they were like that in live (rather than the more reasonable "this is the baseline class we use to balance around"), to their benefit. I hope you can understand other classes perceived as getting the interpretative stick instead of the same treatment will ruffle feathers.

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Re: Patch Notes 20/05/2021

Post#470 » Wed May 26, 2021 7:35 am

So, how is the 1* going lately? Anyone got results of them in winning/loosing rate?

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