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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#121 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:20 am

geraldtarrant wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:01 pm Tactic affected Chillwind res debuff shouldnt stack only with other Chillwind res debuff/ any other tactic res debuff. It still should stack with abilities like chosen auras tho, since sources of effect are different. Treating tactic affected Chillwind res debuff as ability source is just semantics used to justify this nerf and call it bug fix.
Looks like if you cry on the github about class differences they'll make changes as 'bug fixes'.

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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#122 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 9:08 am

shoelessHN wrote: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:20 am
geraldtarrant wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:01 pm Tactic affected Chillwind res debuff shouldnt stack only with other Chillwind res debuff/ any other tactic res debuff. It still should stack with abilities like chosen auras tho, since sources of effect are different. Treating tactic affected Chillwind res debuff as ability source is just semantics used to justify this nerf and call it bug fix.
Looks like if you cry on the github about class differences they'll make changes as 'bug fixes'.
AKA Riposte that was called a "bug"
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Fenris78
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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#123 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:02 am

Stacking rules are not that hard to grasp but yeah there are multiple afaik :

- Buffs from Skills with same name never stack (ie every 60m buffs, Auras, etc.)

- Buffs/debuffs from same tactics wont stack (ie. RP/Zealot absorb tactic, you wont have 2 absorb at once, but they can proc sequentially, tactics to crits or +% healing dont stack either if they are similar name, armor/resist debuffs tactics wont stack, etc.)

- Debuffs from skills affecting same stat usually never stack (ie armor, resist, stats, chances to crit etc.), you always take the best and ignore others.
However, you can usually stack 1 debuff from skill + 1 from tactic + 1 from moral on the same stat at once.


- Buffs from potions usually never stack with any other buff, if they affect global stats with flat numbers, but % effects are stacking.

- Some buffs are neither skills or tactics, and will stack with everything (ie. Stances/pet buffs on SW/Mara/WL/SH)

- Tactics self-bonuses to stats (flat numbers AND %) are stacking with everything (but usually not counted for pets and stances bonuses)

- Hots and DoTs are always stacking (damaging/healing components only).

- Ticks from AoE direct damage/healing effects usually dont stack (Rune of adamant, rain of fire, blast potions...) but it's the "grey zone" here, since there are many exceptions and most are for balance purpose.
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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#124 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 11:13 am

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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#125 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:13 pm

Omegus wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:48 pm
pvprangergod wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 9:10 pm
wargrimnir wrote: Fri Jul 23, 2021 8:40 pm

You sure make it sound like there's several abilities that would affected by this logic. Do you have an example in mind?
not all of them, i just skimmed through a few classes (i only play like 1 class):

Zealot armor/corp debuff and Runie armor debuff tactics for aoe ability
both stack with tanks/dps' regular armor debuffs

Knight 15% healing aura tactic stacks with runie 25% healing tactic (and AM Desperation tactic too presumably)

unsure whether SM's Isha's Protection tactic stacks with runie's 25% and knight's 15%

Don't know whether black orcs new tactic for toughness stacks with other abilities/potions because its been bugged since it was added

unsure whether WL's Baited Trap tactic stacks with armor pots

unsure how marauder's 3 tactics 1st in each tree for bonus stats stack with other abilities/potions

marauder's deeply impaled tactic stacks with blackguard's crimson death
unsure if witch elve's Septic blade tactic stacks with blackguard's crush the weak

witchelf/witch hunter's 50% armor pen tactic does not stack with their 50% armor pen ability

unsure how WP's greave of sigmar tactic stacks with other abilities/potions

unsure how chosen's repel 10% reduced armor pen tactic stacks with zealot reduced armor pen tactic (nobody really bothers using the chosen tactic afaik)

there are other examples but they don't fit precisely into the category of being an ability enhanced by a tactic, or tactics not stacking with abilities
++ dabbart mentioned a few more in his post on the last page
Ain't Done Yet (Shaman's +25% healing tactic) was stacking with Blessing of Chaos (Zealot's +25% healing tactic), both of which are linked to abilities/procs.
Aint done yet tactic enhances a skill. Blessing of chaos is a tactic proc, you get a tactic icon in your buff bar. Both stack, like it worked since years.

RP 25% stacks with knight 15%, because one is a tactic proc, one an enhanced skill.

This is pretty consistent across the board, while people get confused often what causes the effect. Many tactics, which give a bonus only enhance a skill and therefore don't stack with other skills.

There are some exceptions, where the effect would be either too strong or they are supposed to stack by design but those are only a few - like zeal/rp debuffs.
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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#126 » Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:54 pm

There was two choices.

BUFF / FIX BW to mirror sorc. Or NERF / FIX SORC to mirrow bw. Devs felt BW tactic is working as intended.

This is a lose / lose for the devs because the same people would be QQ'ing about OMG BW got a BUFF. Wahhhhhhhhhh, they have everything.

KRUBS was right!!! Damn him.

Grasthard
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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#127 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:39 am

so remove BHA stacks for the same logic. ony the highest damage stack should count. like any other dot

Sever1n
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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#128 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:23 am

Plz remove def WE from game. Plz remove guarded doc/wp survivability from game. This is pure cancer that suck all life from game.

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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#129 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:38 am

If they remove bha staking that will mean that sw that worce than best will lose half of dmg. SW need hard rework and help to be viable in group play and kiling destro melle blob cancer. So simply removing bha just kill skirm sw that not in the best spot right now need better solution. Devs should really focus on class balance instead of making hunters vales, like making some marales viable, tactics reworks, helping sucking clases, and ruin that boring sumo meta where no group can kill other coz res fiesta and heals that harfer to kill than tanks. Oh and ofcourse kiling wh/we cancer, that in sweet spot nonstop.

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Re: Patch Notes 22/07/2021

Post#130 » Sun Jul 25, 2021 10:15 am

when they changed Riposte we Slayers and WH complained but nah that was a "fix" not suppose to be like that, same to Sorcs resist debuff stack then its a "huge Des nerf again" wierd how things goes sometimes
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