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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#131 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:21 am

You guys are delusional if you think a 30-40 twink is worse than a premade ........ also you think newplayers is gonna 1-39 in SC???????? not even enjoy the world of warhammer lore pve?????? nice... what kinda shiet is that if they lucky they hit 40-40rr now. I guess they can get redeye/sent/bloodlord in 3 days LOL if thats true what is even the point of pvp ??? and stay in bloodlord for 30 renown levels sheesh what kinda progression is that.

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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#132 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:27 am

Gravord you still dont get it. Veterans have no problem with finding best way to slip through low tiers and gearing up. We all did it. Problem is no fresh blood in RoR or if there is any new blood current system doesnt allow them to learn basics. You queue solo sc and half time there is no healer or tank, you go RvR and autobands req certain lvl or kick you without warning. Pugs? What will you learn from other pugs like you? At least scs are quite friendly enviroment when you can Q when you want with who you want. And its messureable.
All i`m saying low tier expierience for any new player can be very terrible and force quiting before you even get into tier 4. There is no reason to deny it. I hope it can be tune up for better future.
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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#133 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:31 am

Best way to encourage new players to explore the game on a slower level, while not punishing older players to hard would be to add account wide one-time-quests.

e.g. player hit rank 5 and get some quest introducing the basics of pvp in some way. at the end he gets some renown and 25 crests (half of t1 set gear).

With higher ranks there are more complex tutorials with bigger rewards and always some "kill player" tasks.

Quests could contain common how-to-play basics, Archtype-specials like guard, rezz or cleans and some help where to get gear from.

If a player already did these quests on one char he can reset the quest-line but won't get any more reward (Or just repeat a specifc lesson selected out of the tome).

Edit: Also a trainee concept could be added where veterans and new players get rewards for some reached goals. This could encourage older players to take care of the puppies, but I'm sure this way could be abused in some way.

Both concepts must have to focus to get these players to a point where they know what to do when they face enemy groups.
While here are a lot of snowflakes refusing to play in a premade group, group-play no matter if premade or pug must be the focus. I'm not talking about "You must join a group to succeed", but "If you play with a group of people, in a pug SC or in the lakes or wherever, these are the things you have to do".
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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#134 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:32 am

Phantasm wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:27 am Gravord you still dont get it. Veterans have no problem with finding best way to slip through low tiers and gearing up. We all did it. Problem is no fresh blood in RoR or if there is any new blood current system doesnt allow them to learn basics. You queue solo sc and half time there is no healer or tank, you go RvR and autobands req certain lvl or kick you without warning. Pugs? What will you learn from other pugs like you? At least scs are quite friendly enviroment when you can Q when you want with who you want. And its messureable.
Maybe you still dont get it? If its as you say and half the time theres no healer or tank in sc, whats the point staying there longer? If autobands kick low level, whats the point of delaying hitting lvl 40?
Your own arguments go against what you trying to prove. "Sc are quite friendly enviroment"? The same ones without tanks and healers? Wot?? :shock:

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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#135 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:38 am

Gravord wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:32 am
Phantasm wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:27 am Gravord you still dont get it. Veterans have no problem with finding best way to slip through low tiers and gearing up. We all did it. Problem is no fresh blood in RoR or if there is any new blood current system doesnt allow them to learn basics. You queue solo sc and half time there is no healer or tank, you go RvR and autobands req certain lvl or kick you without warning. Pugs? What will you learn from other pugs like you? At least scs are quite friendly enviroment when you can Q when you want with who you want. And its messureable.
Maybe you still dont get it? If its as you say and half the time theres no healer or tank in sc, whats the point staying there longer? If autobands kick low level, whats the point of delaying hitting lvl 40?
Your own arguments go against what you trying to prove. "Sc are quite friendly enviroment"? The same ones without tanks and healers? Wot?? :shock:
To join /5 mid tier sc group there is no req checks :) They take you or you can make own. Story is totally different in t4. Someone making /5 group expect you to have a knowleadge about your class at least. And you wont get it playing low tiers with bad exp/rp ratio.

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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#136 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:40 am

Everdin wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:31 am Best way to encourage new players to explore the game on a slower level, while not punishing older players to hard would be to add account wide one-time-quests.

e.g. player hit rank 5 and get some quest introducing the basics of pvp in some way. at the end he gets some renown and 25 crests (half of t1 set gear).

With higher ranks there are more complex tutorials with bigger rewards and always some "kill player" tasks.

Quests could contain common how-to-play basics, Archtype-specials like guard, rezz or cleans and some help where to get gear from.

If a player already did these quests on one char he can reset the quest-line but won't get any more reward (Or just repeat a specifc lesson selected out of the tome).
I guess some tutorial could be done with addons, but who gonna do it? No many ppl able that still play.

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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#137 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:45 am

Phantasm wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:38 am
Gravord wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:32 am
Phantasm wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:27 am Gravord you still dont get it. Veterans have no problem with finding best way to slip through low tiers and gearing up. We all did it. Problem is no fresh blood in RoR or if there is any new blood current system doesnt allow them to learn basics. You queue solo sc and half time there is no healer or tank, you go RvR and autobands req certain lvl or kick you without warning. Pugs? What will you learn from other pugs like you? At least scs are quite friendly enviroment when you can Q when you want with who you want. And its messureable.
Maybe you still dont get it? If its as you say and half the time theres no healer or tank in sc, whats the point staying there longer? If autobands kick low level, whats the point of delaying hitting lvl 40?
Your own arguments go against what you trying to prove. "Sc are quite friendly enviroment"? The same ones without tanks and healers? Wot?? :shock:
To join /5 mid tier sc group there is no req checks :) They take you or you can make own. Story is totally different in t4. Someone making /5 group expect you to have a knowleadge about your class at least. And you wont get it playing low tiers with bad exp/rp ratio.
By your own calculation doing sc only takes 295 wins to hit lvl 40. Sounds like plenty time to learn basics of the class to me...

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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#138 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:48 am

Phantasm wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:40 am
Everdin wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:31 am Best way to encourage new players to explore the game on a slower level, while not punishing older players to hard would be to add account wide one-time-quests.

e.g. player hit rank 5 and get some quest introducing the basics of pvp in some way. at the end he gets some renown and 25 crests (half of t1 set gear).

With higher ranks there are more complex tutorials with bigger rewards and always some "kill player" tasks.

Quests could contain common how-to-play basics, Archtype-specials like guard, rezz or cleans and some help where to get gear from.

If a player already did these quests on one char he can reset the quest-line but won't get any more reward (Or just repeat a specifc lesson selected out of the tome).
I guess some tutorial could be done with addons, but who gonna do it? No many ppl able that still play.
How many addons do you think a new player has installed? :P

It must be implemented right from the start, everything else would be no help for new players.

If there is a way to recreate a whole city with long quest lines, regular events with changing quests and goals, I'm sure there is time and knowledge to do this, but it's just my 2 cents regarding this.
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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#139 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:50 am

Gravord wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:45 am
Phantasm wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:38 am
Gravord wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:32 am

Maybe you still dont get it? If its as you say and half the time theres no healer or tank in sc, whats the point staying there longer? If autobands kick low level, whats the point of delaying hitting lvl 40?
Your own arguments go against what you trying to prove. "Sc are quite friendly enviroment"? The same ones without tanks and healers? Wot?? :shock:
To join /5 mid tier sc group there is no req checks :) They take you or you can make own. Story is totally different in t4. Someone making /5 group expect you to have a knowleadge about your class at least. And you wont get it playing low tiers with bad exp/rp ratio.
By your own calculation doing sc only takes 295 wins to hit lvl 40. Sounds like plenty time to learn basics of the class to me...
It feels like there are r90 players which not learned the basics yet....
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Re: Patch Notes 23/06/2022

Post#140 » Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:52 am

Everdin wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:50 am
Gravord wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:45 am
Phantasm wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:38 am

To join /5 mid tier sc group there is no req checks :) They take you or you can make own. Story is totally different in t4. Someone making /5 group expect you to have a knowleadge about your class at least. And you wont get it playing low tiers with bad exp/rp ratio.
By your own calculation doing sc only takes 295 wins to hit lvl 40. Sounds like plenty time to learn basics of the class to me...
It feels like there are r90 players which not learned the basics yet....
That might be true but no magic scroll will ever help with that ;)

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