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Jstink101
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Understanding Abilities

Post#1 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:28 am

Hello, fresh 40 KotBS. I am trying to build a sword and board damage reflect build. Currently running: RoR.builders - Knight of the Blazing Sun
With active auras: Stand Strong, Gather Your Resolve, and On Your Guard

Trying to understand what late game weapons to get. I want to understand how abilities get more damage. For example, does my Shield of the Sun and On Your Guard get damage from Strength? Can they critical? Should I be getting the offensive 1H sword so I can deal more damage back? Or the Defensive one so I can continue to stay alive longer? Does that really make a difference if I am already running a shield with block?

Build professionals, please help!

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Akalukz
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Re: Understanding Abilities

Post#2 » Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:21 pm

Others can probably answer better than me, but I am pretty sure Aura's will not crit, and damage should be based off of mastery point in that tree.
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Fontaami
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Re: Understanding Abilities

Post#3 » Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:51 am

Jstink101 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:28 am Hello, fresh 40 KotBS. I am trying to build a sword and board damage reflect build. Currently running: RoR.builders - Knight of the Blazing Sun
With active auras: Stand Strong, Gather Your Resolve, and On Your Guard

Trying to understand what late game weapons to get. I want to understand how abilities get more damage. For example, does my Shield of the Sun and On Your Guard get damage from Strength? Can they critical?
SoS and OYG doesn't scale with your Strength and can't crit, but each of your Mastery points in the respective paths affect both abilities damage. Also iirc your Taunt doesn't increase neither SoS or OYG damage on your target.
As you only hit 40, just go full defense snb and don't try any damage-related shenanigans builds.
Volo ergo sum

Jstink101
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Re: Understanding Abilities

Post#4 » Tue Oct 08, 2024 5:02 pm

Fontaami wrote: Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:51 am
Jstink101 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:28 am Hello, fresh 40 KotBS. I am trying to build a sword and board damage reflect build. Currently running: RoR.builders - Knight of the Blazing Sun
With active auras: Stand Strong, Gather Your Resolve, and On Your Guard

Trying to understand what late game weapons to get. I want to understand how abilities get more damage. For example, does my Shield of the Sun and On Your Guard get damage from Strength? Can they critical?
SoS and OYG doesn't scale with your Strength and can't crit, but each of your Mastery points in the respective paths affect both abilities damage. Also iirc your Taunt doesn't increase neither SoS or OYG damage on your target.
As you only hit 40, just go full defense snb and don't try any damage-related shenanigans builds.
I was told multiple times in-game that Strength increases my damage for all my abilities. Is that not the case then?

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Fontaami
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Re: Understanding Abilities

Post#5 » Tue Oct 08, 2024 8:13 pm

Jstink101 wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 12:28 am I was told multiple times in-game that Strength increases my damage for all my abilities. Is that not the case then?
The people were of course right but sadly there are cases of some of abilities/tactics/morale that work quite opposite to the popular knowledge.
I did a bit of testing with dummies in Altdorf today, and can confirm that increasing or decreasing your Strength doesn't affect either SoS or OYG damage at all, while Taunt extra damage buff doesn't increase both abilities damage too. Applying Stand Strong! (toughness aura) doesn't affect those abilities damage too. Sadly I don't know the preset dummy stats - it can be set at 0 Toughness for example - so my tests should be re-evaluated in different setup too.
Furthermore, turned out that Weapon Skill buff from Runefang tactic is actually increasing OYG physical damage and can even be pushed a bit further combining with Demolishing Strike M1 armour debuff while Gather Your Resolve! aura increasing SoS elemental damage too.
I hope it was helpful to you too
Volo ergo sum

Jstink101
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Re: Understanding Abilities

Post#6 » Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:22 pm

Do you know if Strength increases your damage for elemental abilities too? Would it make sense to stack intelligence instead? Or magic critical? Would these increase the damage on SoS or maybe even Blazing Blade?

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Fontaami
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Re: Understanding Abilities

Post#7 » Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:28 pm

Jstink101 wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:22 pm Do you know if Strength increases your damage for elemental abilities too? Would it make sense to stack intelligence instead? Or magic critical? Would these increase the damage on SoS or maybe even Blazing Blade?
For KotbS Strength is indeed needed to increase your Elemental damage from Blazing Blade dot component and Heaven's Fury. However Shield of Sun and All Out Assault! aura are both excluded from your Strength and only number of points in the respective paths can increase their damage (Elemental debuff too). Intelligence is irrelevant for KotbS since it is a physical melee class still with some extra Elemental damage from few abilities so only your Strength matters (except for SoS and AoA as described above). If you want some more crit for your KotbS, you will only need Opportunist renown ability which increases magic, range and melee crit at the same time now.
Btw at live there was a nice tactic called Mighty Soul (https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/8061), iirc it was working at this server for some time too but got excommunicated due to unknown reasons for me.
Volo ergo sum

Jstink101
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Re: Understanding Abilities

Post#8 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 3:25 am

Fontaami wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:28 pm
Jstink101 wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:22 pm Do you know if Strength increases your damage for elemental abilities too? Would it make sense to stack intelligence instead? Or magic critical? Would these increase the damage on SoS or maybe even Blazing Blade?
For KotbS Strength is indeed needed to increase your Elemental damage from Blazing Blade dot component and Heaven's Fury. However Shield of Sun and All Out Assault! aura are both excluded from your Strength and only number of points in the respective paths can increase their damage (Elemental debuff too). Intelligence is irrelevant for KotbS since it is a physical melee class still with some extra Elemental damage from few abilities so only your Strength matters (except for SoS and AoA as described above). If you want some more crit for your KotbS, you will only need Opportunist renown ability which increases magic, range and melee crit at the same time now.
Btw at live there was a nice tactic called Mighty Soul (https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/8061), iirc it was working at this server for some time too but got excommunicated due to unknown reasons for me.
Wait.. do you know if the Opportunist will work with the SoS & AoA? or can they still not crit at all?

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Fontaami
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Re: Understanding Abilities

Post#9 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 1:01 pm

Jstink101 wrote: Fri Oct 11, 2024 3:25 am
Fontaami wrote: Thu Oct 10, 2024 2:28 pm
Jstink101 wrote: Wed Oct 09, 2024 7:22 pm Do you know if Strength increases your damage for elemental abilities too? Would it make sense to stack intelligence instead? Or magic critical? Would these increase the damage on SoS or maybe even Blazing Blade?
For KotbS Strength is indeed needed to increase your Elemental damage from Blazing Blade dot component and Heaven's Fury. However Shield of Sun and All Out Assault! aura are both excluded from your Strength and only number of points in the respective paths can increase their damage (Elemental debuff too). Intelligence is irrelevant for KotbS since it is a physical melee class still with some extra Elemental damage from few abilities so only your Strength matters (except for SoS and AoA as described above). If you want some more crit for your KotbS, you will only need Opportunist renown ability which increases magic, range and melee crit at the same time now.
Btw at live there was a nice tactic called Mighty Soul (https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/8061), iirc it was working at this server for some time too but got excommunicated due to unknown reasons for me.
Wait.. do you know if the Opportunist will work with the SoS & AoA? or can they still not crit at all?
Sadly no, neither SoS or AoA or OYG cannot crit at all no matter the crit source your KotbS has:
https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/8022; https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/8015; https://war-abilityviewer.dalen.io/ability/8025
Volo ergo sum

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