Return of Reckoning

Orgruk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:41 am

hammerhead wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:16 am I agree, and move Shatter Limbs to Lions, like Squig. They need him more. Even the name should not be altered. And what do you suggest instead of 9pt for a slayer?

Seems good/fair to me, this could give more attractivity to lions. Hmm ... for Slayers 9 points maybe another utility buff, maybe tied to movement or something like that. Why not a group (not warband) wide immunity to roots/snare for 5 or 7 seconds. Giving mobility to a group could help change position while in danger.

hammerhead wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:16 am Sorry for wedging in, but
- 120 buff you will not take, you will have a cap of strength anyway.
- Crit tactics are very controversial. Now the battles are very fleeting. There is no window where it would work for any significant amount.
- AA tactics are either ST or PVE.
- AI is a racial tactic that goes beyond the scope of discussion.

As far as I tested, overcaping strength is still good for the melee power and thus the damage output. I also tested without and with low crits on my order test toons and my destro, but right now I'm getting back to balancing crit and armor penetration, with high strength/melee power. Seems the most efficient with the actual meta.

Gurf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:07 am Unlike Greenskin wounds the Armour tactic is obviously gimped on the Slayer as the mechanic reduces armour by 50% in enrage

True I forgot that, but half of something is still better than half of nothing. Don't know if you feel the same right now but my extra HP pool on my choppa just let me be alive maybe 1 or 2 seconds more than my Slayer.

cynicprophet wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:16 pm I think choppa is really good in its current condition as a level 83 choppa owner i honestly do think nothing like this is required.People just always think like grass is greener on the other side.Ignorance in this thread is dangerous to the mind.Only thing choppa and slayers need is middle tree revamp.

How come all these people commenting here are mostly playing without a proper group and not even using the best thing choppa can offer like Chop Fasta.You guys are just rushing in frontline and die in 3 seconds anyways,you play like cannonfodder so your feedback in these kinda delicate balance issues makes no sense to me.I think the biggest problem here is more likely to be learn to play issue than a spesific ability requirement.I mean you guys dont even play to your strenghts,thinking inevitable doom equivalent will change your life.I play 85 slayer and 83 choppa i can easily say get to the choppa in all aspects is better than inv doom exept 6v6.Whereas that a choppa can offen CHOP FASTA in 6v6 making it a really valuable DPS with insane burst.

wargrimnir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:43 pm Balance is not done by sniping at each class. You're not getting buffs or nerfs in accord with your mirror. Classes need to perform on their own merits to fit the needs of their own realm. The only mirroring that we do is when it's a clear direct mirror that two classes share, and even in those we would prefer to remove them.

All of this "if Choppa gets X, then Slayer should get Y" is not how we do things. It's just petty.

cynicprophet wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:16 pm I think choppa is really good in its current condition as a level 83 choppa owner i honestly do think nothing like this is required.People just always think like grass is greener on the other side.Ignorance in this thread is dangerous to the mind.Only thing choppa and slayers need is middle tree revamp.

How come all these people commenting here are mostly playing without a proper group and not even using the best thing choppa can offer like Chop Fasta.You guys are just rushing in frontline and die in 3 seconds anyways,you play like cannonfodder so your feedback in these kinda delicate balance issues makes no sense to me.I think the biggest problem here is more likely to be learn to play issue than a spesific ability requirement.I mean you guys dont even play to your strenghts,thinking inevitable doom equivalent will change your life.I play 85 slayer and 83 choppa i can easily say get to the choppa in all aspects is better than inv doom exept 6v6.Whereas that a choppa can offen CHOP FASTA in 6v6 making it a really valuable DPS with insane burst.

Ysaran wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:29 pm

wargrimnir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:43 pm Balance is not done by sniping at each class. You're not getting buffs or nerfs in accord with your mirror. Classes need to perform on their own merits to fit the needs of their own realm. The only mirroring that we do is when it's a clear direct mirror that two classes share, and even in those we would prefer to remove them.

All of this "if Choppa gets X, then Slayer should get Y" is not how we do things. It's just petty.

I agree the way you do balance. Only because one class has an ability doesn't mean that its mirror should have it too. But Choppa dosn't fit the needs of Destruction. Destruction doesn't need a pull, doesn't need Chop Fasta and also doesn't need Keep On Choppin'.

wargrimnir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:43 pm

Orgruk wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:41 am

hammerhead wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:16 am I agree, and move Shatter Limbs to Lions, like Squig. They need him more. Even the name should not be altered. And what do you suggest instead of 9pt for a slayer?

Seems good/fair to me, this could give more attractivity to lions. Hmm ... for Slayers 9 points maybe another utility buff, maybe tied to movement or something like that. Why not a group (not warband) wide immunity to roots/snare for 5 or 7 seconds. Giving mobility to a group could help change position while in danger.

hammerhead wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:16 am Sorry for wedging in, but
- 120 buff you will not take, you will have a cap of strength anyway.
- Crit tactics are very controversial. Now the battles are very fleeting. There is no window where it would work for any significant amount.
- AA tactics are either ST or PVE.
- AI is a racial tactic that goes beyond the scope of discussion.

As far as I tested, overcaping strength is still good for the melee power and thus the damage output. I also tested without and with low crits on my order test toons and my destro, but right now I'm getting back to balancing crit and armor penetration, with high strength/melee power. Seems the most efficient with the actual meta.

Gurf wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:07 am Unlike Greenskin wounds the Armour tactic is obviously gimped on the Slayer as the mechanic reduces armour by 50% in enrage

True I forgot that, but half of something is still better than half of nothing. Don't know if you feel the same right now but my extra HP pool on my choppa just let me be alive maybe 1 or 2 seconds more than my Slayer.

Balance is not done by sniping at each class. You're not getting buffs or nerfs in accord with your mirror. Classes need to perform on their own merits to fit the needs of their own realm. The only mirroring that we do is when it's a clear direct mirror that two classes share, and even in those we would prefer to remove them.

All of this "if Choppa gets X, then Slayer should get Y" is not how we do things. It's just petty.

wargrimnir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:43 pm
All of this "if Choppa gets X, then Slayer should get Y" is not how we do things. It's just petty.

Ysaran wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:29 pm
But Choppa dosn't fit the needs of Destruction. Destruction doesn't need a pull, doesn't need Chop Fasta and also doesn't need Keep On Choppin'.

wargrimnir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:43 pm Balance is not done by sniping at each class. You're not getting buffs or nerfs in accord with your mirror. Classes need to perform on their own merits to fit the needs of their own realm. The only mirroring that we do is when it's a clear direct mirror that two classes share, and even in those we would prefer to remove them.

All of this "if Choppa gets X, then Slayer should get Y" is not how we do things. It's just petty.