Mara trees and the everything in 1 spec problem

[Bozzax]

There are 3 problems

1. Mara / wl have a 500-600 stronger armor buff then anythin else in the game. Every point in the left tree increases damage for you and your allies by near 1%. This makes mara / wl mandatory for everey pdps heavy setup.

2. Mandatory armor potions
Armor potions are to potent and is to easy to come by. Lowering them by 2/3 would make several redundant abilities worth using again

3. Armor inflation
Even though devs have realised and lowered the armour gain on new 40+ Sets they also have added multiple new acessories that can hold extra armor tallies. Imo these never should have been allowed to hold armor tallies and this will become really stupid if more jewelery with tally slots are added. The extreme would be 6 "new" acessory slots holding 6x180 tallies on top of 7-8x180 from weapons and armor plus a 907 potion

[TenTonHammer]

At which point at the very least the marauder simply goes on the shelf for a 2nd chopper. You won't fix any meta with swapsies, you will just change it breaking classes as you go.

So the only value Mara has even in grp play is its armor debuff?


Really?

[Toldavf]

I would argue that armour on medium classes only becomes a problem if they reach a level where the tank debuffs are completely eclipsed.

Also if people think that tanks lack a credible armour debuff (they don't) why don't people make a suggestion on it.

[TenTonHammer]

Simply because, noone will play mdps, if tanks have same debuff with along more survivality?
If compared with Mara generally - 2H chosens and Black Orcs kills more and do more damage in scenarios.

amazing i didnt realise that the only value all 3 mdps had for each respetive faction was their armor debuffs


Inc hdbuff in of its self is massive having "damage" means jack **** we all saw that thread about that SC ib with 300K dmg and 2dbs


runnign around with sprit dmg aura will let me have big numbers in scs too not that it means anything and 2h chosen and BO are basically joke specs

[TenTonHammer]

Also if people think that tanks lack a credible armour debuff (they don't) why don't people make a suggestion on it.

theirs already a pending one for BG, Mara debuff value swap

I would argue that armour on medium classes only becomes a problem if they reach a level where the tank debuffs are completely eclipsed.

my issue is that tanks have to use an ability + a morale to be able to compete

[Wdova]

There are 3 problems

1. Mara / wl have a 500-600 stronger armor buff then anythin else in the game. Every point in the left tree increases damage for you and your allies by near 1%

This makes mara / wl mandatory for everey pdps heavy setup.

2. Mandatory armor potions
Armor potions are to potent and is to easy to come by. Lowering them by 2/3 would make several redundant abilities worth using again

3. Armor inflation
Even though devs have realised and lowered the armour gain on new 40+ Sets they also have added multiple new acessories that can hold extra armor tallies. Imo these never should have been allowed to hold armor tallies and this will become really stupid if more jewelery with tally slots are added

Maybe the solution will be increasing armor debuff value on other armor debuffers. I really dont get Your point. On other hand You point that there are strong armor debuffers(WL, Mara) which is not good, than You point there is still lot of armor on sets. I dont think solution is everyone will be running around half naked if big armor nerf hit the game. Increasing other armor debuffs on BO, BG, IB, SW, Engi and SH to WL/Mara value will solve this mandatory role of WL/Mara in physical damage dealing premades? I am not sure.

[Bozzax]

Sure that wrks too (buffing all other armor debuffs to 1600 @ max spec) and would make non mara / wl grps viable as well.

[Toldavf]

At which point at the very least the marauder simply goes on the shelf for a 2nd chopper. You won't fix any meta with swapsies, you will just change it breaking classes as you go.

So the only value Mara has even in grp play is its armor debuff?


Really?

Well look at it this way.

If the marauder doesn't provide additional dps thought its armour debuff to all 4 members of the melee train, and its wounds debuff is only marginally higher than a chosens (around 400 hp). Why would you take him? Melee groups will always opt for the most damage, unless they want to run some ap drain jank (which isnt an option on order double slayer premades for life woooo) so mara is passed up for something else that will do either more or sustained physical damage.

So to answer your incredulous question imo yes.

[Bozzax]

Util and being much harder to kill then a chp/sly or a we/wh in light armor

Quite important things when you play weakest link

Tough: 10s CD aoe detaunts and no rage mechanic, pounce and monstro stance/heal leech

Util: pounce/fetch/TE/ensnare/fof/ all setup kills for you grp

Edit: slayer ID and rampage are other retarded designs by myth but another topic imo

[TenTonHammer]

Well look at it this way.

If the marauder doesn't provide additional dps thought its armour debuff to all 4 members of the melee train, and its wounds debuff is only marginally higher than a chosens (around 400 hp). Why would you take him? Melee groups will always opt for the most damage, unless they want to run some ap drain jank (which isnt an option on order double slayer premades for life woooo) so mara is passed up for something else that will do either more or sustained physical damage.

So to answer your incredulous question imo yes.

debuffs that cant be clenased by WP, overal all dps on par with choppa while being no where as squighy as chop or WE, 10% inc chance to be impale crit tactic, pull,, Wounds debuff is still lower cd while having higher value than blast wave and since in 6v6 its all about focus targeting, is over all better, etc