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Tesq
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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#91 » Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:45 pm

even with flamer redeploy and resummon CD are too high, they could take a fix of 5 sec and leave it at 15, that for sure will help; the radius is high enough if you play it smart but the redeploy/resumon CD is just a not needed nuisance; when enemy run or kite is impossible chase em with out the ista summon tactic and change wont have space for that and storm is ground target once used is gone so when target exit the area, you had just wasted GCD.

left mastery for both classes can use ista summon tactic because they are not mobile and so they need THAT tactic but from a mobile spec it should not be requrie to take a tactic to be semi decent at do stuff more mobile/flexible.

also another prob of mid masterys , not all skill get cast on the move with flamers; ALL skill should be on the move when flamers are on, not just mid mastery. When you play flamer is alredy given you are gogin mid mastery gameplay, or anyway is just a custom choice for rvr at that point; other skill still complete the build tought even cast a complete new summon should be on the move if a flamer is on.

side note some skill should be castable on the move even while flamers are not summoned; i think about rend wind and napal granade, i could get why not for some "reason" , still the flamer should allow ANY skill to be cast on the move.
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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#92 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:48 am

Mmmmmmmm BOC castable on the move mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#93 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:10 am

Renork wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:48 am Mmmmmmmm BOC castable on the move mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
with flamer....

-no elemental debuff
-no additional range
-still 3 sec cast for a mid range-melee build
-most likely not even havoc crit chance tactic and havoc crit dmg tactic

no one would use Boc in flamer spec seriusly...rend wind spam is just better and is stil undefeatable....and anyway it can be ez fix by force some effect to require pink horror ...
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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#94 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:36 am

The range of the Daemon buff should be much higher especially because its a stationary pet with a high cooldown on its teleport.

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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#95 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:47 am

Tesq wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:10 am
Renork wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:48 am Mmmmmmmm BOC castable on the move mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
with flamer....

-no elemental debuff
-no additional range
-still 3 sec cast for a mid range-melee build
-most likely not even havoc crit chance tactic and havoc crit dmg tactic

no one would use Boc in flamer spec seriusly...rend wind spam is just better and is stil undefeatable....and anyway it can be ez fix by force some effect to require pink horror ...
All HAIL Tesq, the master of the theorycraft. You should apply for lead developer.

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Tesq
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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#96 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:51 am

Renork wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:47 am
Tesq wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:10 am
Renork wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 3:48 am Mmmmmmmm BOC castable on the move mmmmmmmmmmmmmm
with flamer....

-no elemental debuff
-no additional range
-still 3 sec cast for a mid range-melee build
-most likely not even havoc crit chance tactic and havoc crit dmg tactic

no one would use Boc in flamer spec seriusly...rend wind spam is just better and is stil undefeatable....and anyway it can be ez fix by force some effect to require pink horror ...
All HAIL Tesq, the master of the theorycraft. You should apply for lead developer.
these are not theorycraft, these are facts or rather read your own tooltips man.......
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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#97 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:56 am

Tesq wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:51 am
Renork wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 11:47 am
Tesq wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:10 am

with flamer....

-no elemental debuff
-no additional range
-still 3 sec cast for a mid range-melee build
-most likely not even havoc crit chance tactic and havoc crit dmg tactic

no one would use Boc in flamer spec seriusly...rend wind spam is just better and is stil undefeatable....and anyway it can be ez fix by force some effect to require pink horror ...
All HAIL Tesq, the master of the theorycraft. You should apply for lead developer.
these are not theorycraft, these are facts or rather read your own tooltips man.......
You should look up the definition of the word “facts” in whatever language you are most fluent in before randomly throwing it in a sentence. You just told me “no one would use BOC over RW”, how do you know this? That’s called theory crafting honey.

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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#98 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:35 pm

yes use words out of context and cherry picking, i said no one would ever use boc over rend wind

IF

is using a flamer and so a change build because this is what we are talking about; that 3 sec cast in a havoc build make sense because as said you have tools to make that 3 sec cast "worth"

by facts wrote on litteraly your tooltips; most basic one is pink horror ele debuff; this class cant play without the correct debuff on the target you know....

even the diff between pink horror and flamer in range vs dot tick time reduction make better use pink horror for that skill; the only real gain would be use mutating blue fire as cast on the move and thats the only single skill a change magus gona benefith from which is a CORE skill and would still miss all the dmg you lack from spec havoc crits tactics. Due if primary is change you are forced to take aegis so there is no chance t play a mid range-melee build doing havoc+change unless something can be sorted as for bw close quarter fireball spam build which would require also other bw shananigans....

the only thing that would change for the mid mastery build would be you can follow kitintg enemy while casting mutating blue fire post glean magic and pandemonium...before spam rend wind.....undefeatable....rend wind...or maybe one day a indigo blue fire with a worth eff on 13 pt. End result is have all rotation on the move, atm is like dont use mutating or you have to stop and you have access to no ranged snare (and storm with out pull is not effective for your rotation as snare; it only shine if you have to support others).
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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#99 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 4:48 pm

Tesq wrote: Sat Sep 08, 2018 12:35 pm yes use words out of context and cherry picking, i said no one would ever use boc over rend wind

IF

is using a flamer and so a change build because this is what we are talking about; that 3 sec cast in a havoc build make sense because as said you have tools to make that 3 sec cast "worth"

by facts wrote on litteraly your tooltips; most basic one is pink horror ele debuff; this class cant play without the correct debuff on the target you know....

even the diff between pink horror and flamer in range vs dot tick time reduction make better use pink horror for that skill; the only real gain would be use mutating blue fire as cast on the move and thats the only single skill a change magus gona benefith from which is a CORE skill and would still miss all the dmg you lack from spec havoc crits tactics. Due if primary is change you are forced to take aegis so there is no chance t play a mid range-melee build doing havoc+change unless something can be sorted as for bw close quarter fireball spam build which would require also other bw shananigans....

the only thing that would change for the mid mastery build would be you can follow kitintg enemy while casting mutating blue fire post glean magic and pandemonium...before spam rend wind.....undefeatable....rend wind...or maybe one day a indigo blue fire with a worth eff on 13 pt. End result is have all rotation on the move, atm is like dont use mutating or you have to stop and you have access to no ranged snare (and storm with out pull is not effective for your rotation as snare; it only shine if you have to support others).
Such wild imagination.

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Re: Tzeentch's Firestorm

Post#100 » Sat Sep 08, 2018 6:33 pm

Magus still bollocks then i take it?

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