Marauder morale drain vs WH morale drain

[wachlarz]

Spoiler:

Marauder: Crushing Blows - "While you are using the Gift of Monstrosity, ALL of your hits have a 25% chance to remove 225 points of morale from the enemy." Bottom-line it goes with any ability and no restrictions.

Witch Hunter: Vitriolic Judgement - "Anytime you hit an enemy in the back, there is a 25% chance they will lose 225 points of morale." Single target class, not many options unless you specc almost full Confession for Dragon Gun (10 seconds cooldown) which by the way require 5 Accusations to reach the maxmimum amount of 48.3 feet range, and then almost full Judgement to get the required tactic. Other than that it requires you to hit your enemy IN THE BACK.

I suggest tweaking the marauder morale drain to something similiar to maybe even out the odds as they already have a 50% armor pen tactic that also goes with every ability, which they by the way run in the same AOE specc, and it's a Core tactic.

1. restriction > U must be in monstro
2. 50% armor pen ONLY FOR MUTATED SKILLS not all skils

lel, its obvious that demo spam which is the way to go for moral drain meets these conditions.

Yes but loot of ppl dont remeber to use all skils of mara U must stancdance. Monsto mara only in wb in 6v6 it will be joke. And u must use tac to morale drain. Wh must use tac ? or stancdance ? or decide he play wb or single ?

[Fey]

Buff order WB, they're hurting.

[adamthelc]

it would be who of you to understand the mara morale drain and its builds and how it is slotted into use compared to whitch hunters morale drain and how it is slotted into use.

mara's morale drain is specifically highly used in an rvr setting. it plays of a aoe cleave spec that uses proc's to combat order's frontline morale spikes. the problem with using this tactic, is that you have to sacrifice your damage output for control input.

as for witch hunter, the class is based on small scale play. basing this on it's mechanic of stealth which would be common sense. since morale gains have changed, this might be an option for solo play to combat other player's reaching their m1 in a fight.

my suggestion is to make a proposal about the mirror of the class which you mentioned was for the mara and to mirror it to something of that equal to the white lion.

Lets hope they argue this enough and give Wl the morale drain and give Mara a pounce =] I would be happy to take that deal.

omg i wish haha. pounce as a mechanic is so damn good. reason why other mmo's put that kind of mobility on the chopping block.

Other MMOs have that kind of mobility much more often. The reason pounce is good is because it's the best mobility in a game that doesnt have a lot of mobility like that. Add that to low TTK and a lack of Survivability CDs to counter.

[mursaat1337]

Lets hope they argue this enough and give Wl the morale drain and give Mara a pounce =] I would be happy to take that deal.

omg i wish haha. pounce as a mechanic is so damn good. reason why other mmo's put that kind of mobility on the chopping block.

Other MMOs have that kind of mobility much more often. The reason pounce is good is because it's the best mobility in a game that doesnt have a lot of mobility like that. Add that to low TTK and a lack of Survivability CDs to counter.

every other mmo ive played, that type of mobility has either been given to all classes or nerfed to the ground in tournament play to include guild wars top 10 world champ tournaments ive played in and to wow's duelist/glad arena 2600 rating match ups ive played in. check patch 7.2 skill called mistwalk in wow, it got axed real quick. reason is because in game play it was just too good and out performed every other matchup. having that much mobility to include a 3 second stun and a pull mechanic in the meta build, WL is king compared to marauder's peasant play. but this is all digressing from the main post.

[drmordread]

omg i wish haha. pounce as a mechanic is so damn good. reason why other mmo's put that kind of mobility on the chopping block.

Other MMOs have that kind of mobility much more often. The reason pounce is good is because it's the best mobility in a game that doesnt have a lot of mobility like that. Add that to low TTK and a lack of Survivability CDs to counter.

every other mmo ive played, that type of mobility has either been given to all classes or nerfed to the ground in tournament play to include guild wars top 10 world champ tournaments ive played in and to wow's duelist/glad arena 2600 rating match ups ive played in. check patch 7.2 skill called mistwalk in wow, it got axed real quick. reason is because in game play it was just too good and out performed every other matchup. having that much mobility to include a 3 second stun and a pull mechanic in the meta build, WL is king compared to marauder's peasant play. but this is all digressing from the main post.

No sweat. WL pounce is weak sauce compared to unlimited SH pounce with disabling strikes and AoE options. Please, quit trying to nerf the WL into an even more obscure class.
Also, the mara drain does not require massive damage. As long as you do even 1 point, there is a 25% chance to moral drain. So all the comments about low damage is misleading. You are not there to do damage, you are there to drain morale. Can't have morale drain AND top damage ability all in one.

[Warfare80]

Does not matter how good a class is if there is no morale. Bigscale RvR is all about moralebombing, we all know it

PS: We still have a civil attitude in this thread and i really enjoy it. This issue must be adressed because it really kills most of the fun in bigscale fights. Keep up the good attitude and keep on discussing it. We have had threads like this before, but trolls zerged those posts and devs had to lock the threads. Lets avoid that this time.

[mursaat1337]

Other MMOs have that kind of mobility much more often. The reason pounce is good is because it's the best mobility in a game that doesnt have a lot of mobility like that. Add that to low TTK and a lack of Survivability CDs to counter.

every other mmo ive played, that type of mobility has either been given to all classes or nerfed to the ground in tournament play to include guild wars top 10 world champ tournaments ive played in and to wow's duelist/glad arena 2600 rating match ups ive played in. check patch 7.2 skill called mistwalk in wow, it got axed real quick. reason is because in game play it was just too good and out performed every other matchup. having that much mobility to include a 3 second stun and a pull mechanic in the meta build, WL is king compared to marauder's peasant play. but this is all digressing from the main post.

No sweat. WL pounce is weak sauce compared to unlimited SH pounce with disabling strikes and AoE options. Please, quit trying to nerf the WL into an even more obscure class.
Also, the mara drain does not require massive damage. As long as you do even 1 point, there is a 25% chance to moral drain. So all the comments about low damage is misleading. You are not there to do damage, you are there to drain morale. Can't have morale drain AND top damage ability all in one.

having to slot a tactic that not only takes up a tactic slot, removes pet utility and a few skills such as get em! and drop that! does not make the SH unlimited pounce and the lack of SH dmg output even compare to pounce as a mechanic for the WL. i know youre talking on a warband point of view but nothing should be balanced to warband scale, it should be balanced to the majority of 18 man sc battles. also i still think SH also does not need that type of mobility either.

[bulgy70]

wow just wow, yet again Order crying about desto, when order have been rolling for the last 8 months.

Lets get in to this, so it is okay for order to have an Morale like Solour Flare, but desto cant have a slower morale drain.

So it is okay for Order to have 3 classes which have a type of pounce, and one of them is a tank ( what a joke that is, which muppet came up with that ) but here we are and i see Order player upset over the squiggy pounce.

[roadkillrobin]

You need a minimum of 4 Maras for Morale drain tactic to actually do something, and if order use formations properly the tactic actually doesn't do much at all coz tanks parry and block will soak 70% of the hits.
It's a tactic thats good when you stack the **** out of it. You think any warband would use 4 WH for morale drains and lose 4 spots of actually good AoE dps? No way.
Not even on WL. Id rather take 1 kotbs, morale boost it doing a tank formation with AM pumps and have the kotbs drain the enemy tanks and then push in with SL's and BW's.

[Parallell86]

wow just wow, yet again Order crying about desto, when order have been rolling for the last 8 months.

Lets get in to this, so it is okay for order to have an Morale like Solour Flare, but desto cant have a slower morale drain.

So it is okay for Order to have 3 classes which have a type of pounce, and one of them is a tank ( what a joke that is, which muppet came up with that ) but here we are and i see Order player upset over the squiggy pounce.

Here we are? Are we? I dont think the topic said "SH pounce". Back to school.
Solar flare is a Morale 4 ability, nerfed...get your facts straight. Dont compare a Morale 4 ability to a passive tactic.