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wachlarz
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Re: [Marauder] Invader 6 Peice

Post#11 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:14 am

Bohavwn wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:45 am
Zxul wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:35 pm
wachlarz wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:10 pm


Dont stack WS and Piercing Bite. U ignore WS and go PB. or WS from items. But have 50% armor pen. U need about 700 WS and its bit hard to get. Dont work like 50% PB + like WS 45% its not 95% armor pen.
Did anyone test how does it works exactly in RoR? In general, equipment and tactics should stack.
From my understanding since WS is armor pen and PB is armor bybass it does not stack the same way. For instance with 50% armor pen from WS and PB, You first penetrate 50% of armor with WS then bypass the 50% of the remaining armor with PB equaling 75% armor negated instead of 100%
Mara have armor debuff too. So 100% armor pene ? I check when back from work. But i think its imposible to have 100%.

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Re: [Marauder] Invader 6 Peice

Post#12 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:48 am

wachlarz wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:14 am
Bohavwn wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:45 am
Zxul wrote:
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:35 pm


Did anyone test how does it works exactly in RoR? In general, equipment and tactics should stack.
From my understanding since WS is armor pen and PB is armor bybass it does not stack the same way. For instance with 50% armor pen from WS and PB, You first penetrate 50% of armor with WS then bypass the 50% of the remaining armor with PB equaling 75% armor negated instead of 100%
Mara have armor debuff too. So 100% armor pene ? I check when back from work. But i think its imposible to have 100%.
Anyone can explain difference between Penetration armor and Bypass armor please??
IMHO - Mara armor debuff and bypass dont cooperate to good. If armor value is lover then armor bypass is decresed too. Example: 2000 armor - i can bypass 1000 armor, after armor debuff ( -1000 armor), bypass only 500 Armor . So WS > PB?

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ahorts
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Re: [Marauder] Invader 6 Peice

Post#13 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:53 pm

Dajciekrwi wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:48 am
wachlarz wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:14 am
Bohavwn wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:45 am


From my understanding since WS is armor pen and PB is armor bybass it does not stack the same way. For instance with 50% armor pen from WS and PB, You first penetrate 50% of armor with WS then bypass the 50% of the remaining armor with PB equaling 75% armor negated instead of 100%
Mara have armor debuff too. So 100% armor pene ? I check when back from work. But i think its imposible to have 100%.
Anyone can explain difference between Penetration armor and Bypass armor please??
IMHO - Mara armor debuff and bypass dont cooperate to good. If armor value is lover then armor bypass is decresed too. Example: 2000 armor - i can bypass 1000 armor, after armor debuff ( -1000 armor), bypass only 500 Armor . So WS > PB?
Everything stacks: firstly your armor debuff is applied, then your 50% armor pen from PB, added to whatever armor pen you have from your weapon skill, acts on the remaining armor of your target. Then, on top of that, impale ignores extra armor if you hit the target from behind.
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wachlarz
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Re: [Marauder] Invader 6 Peice

Post#14 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:19 pm

ahorts wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:53 pm
Dajciekrwi wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:48 am
wachlarz wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 10:14 am

Mara have armor debuff too. So 100% armor pene ? I check when back from work. But i think its imposible to have 100%.
Anyone can explain difference between Penetration armor and Bypass armor please??
IMHO - Mara armor debuff and bypass dont cooperate to good. If armor value is lover then armor bypass is decresed too. Example: 2000 armor - i can bypass 1000 armor, after armor debuff ( -1000 armor), bypass only 500 Armor . So WS > PB?
Everything stacks: firstly your armor debuff is applied, then your 50% armor pen from PB, added to whatever armor pen you have from your weapon skill, acts on the remaining armor of your target. Then, on top of that, impale ignores extra armor if you hit the target from behind.
So make the math:
Averange tank armor with pot no armor talis about 4.6k.I can armor debuff -1,500 so 3100k next 50% PB 1560k. My Ws is 47,7% +3% from inv helemt. So 1560k > 780 armor left. But i think this dont work like this.
First 47% Ws gives only 780 armor red. ?
Sec if i dont use armor pene from skill on tank so: 4,6k>50% Pb >2,3k >47% from WS >1,15 so better dont use armor pene skill ??
If first Ws calc. 4,6> 50% WS >2,3 then -1,5k from skill >800 and Pb 50%> 400 armor ? So Pb reduce 400 armor ?
If first Ws calc. 4.6>50% WS>2,3 next PB> 1,15k >armor debuff 1,5 > -350 armor ?

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Re: [Marauder] Invader 6 Peice

Post#15 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:38 pm

wachlarz wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:19 pm
So make the math:
Averange tank armor with pot no armor talis about 4.6k.I can armor debuff -1,500 so 3100k next 50% PB 1560k. My Ws is 47,7% +3% from inv helemt. So 1560k > 780 armor left. But i think this dont work like this.
First 47% Ws gives only 780 armor red. ?
Sec if i dont use armor pene from skill on tank so: 4,6k>50% Pb >2,3k >47% from WS >1,15 so better dont use armor pene skill ??
If first Ws calc. 4,6> 50% WS >2,3 then -1,5k from skill >800 and Pb 50%> 400 armor ? So Pb reduce 400 armor ?
If first Ws calc. 4.6>50% WS>2,3 next PB> 1,15k >armor debuff 1,5 > -350 armor ?
Basicly it would look like this 4600 armor - 1500 from cutting claw = 3100 left. 3100 - 1457 from ws armor pen = 1643 - 821 PB = 822 armor left for calculated mitigation from the hit. This is only if the target you are hitting has 0 reduced armor pen and more then likely a tank would have some sort of reduced armor pen. I believe reduced armor pen may count twice because of the 2 checks but i could be wrong. (this would have to be tested)

This is just armor mitigation though so if the high armor target is also stacking toughness you still won't see as big a hit as you do on light armor targets but it will be higher then just stacking str with no WS.
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wachlarz
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Re: [Marauder] Invader 6 Peice

Post#16 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:59 pm

Ekundu01 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:38 pm
wachlarz wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:19 pm
So make the math:
Averange tank armor with pot no armor talis about 4.6k.I can armor debuff -1,500 so 3100k next 50% PB 1560k. My Ws is 47,7% +3% from inv helemt. So 1560k > 780 armor left. But i think this dont work like this.
First 47% Ws gives only 780 armor red. ?
Sec if i dont use armor pene from skill on tank so: 4,6k>50% Pb >2,3k >47% from WS >1,15 so better dont use armor pene skill ??
If first Ws calc. 4,6> 50% WS >2,3 then -1,5k from skill >800 and Pb 50%> 400 armor ? So Pb reduce 400 armor ?
If first Ws calc. 4.6>50% WS>2,3 next PB> 1,15k >armor debuff 1,5 > -350 armor ?
Basicly it would look like this 4600 armor - 1500 from cutting claw = 3100 left. 3100 - 1457 from ws armor pen = 1643 - 821 PB = 822 armor left for calculated mitigation from the hit. This is only if the target you are hitting has 0 reduced armor pen and more then likely a tank would have some sort of reduced armor pen. I believe reduced armor pen may count twice because of the 2 checks but i could be wrong. (this would have to be tested)

This is just armor mitigation though so if the high armor target is also stacking toughness you still won't see as big a hit as you do on light armor targets but it will be higher then just stacking str with no WS.
Are U read 3 last lines i write ? This cant be. So better dont use cutting claw and U will have MORE armor pene.

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Ekundu01
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Re: [Marauder] Invader 6 Peice

Post#17 » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:09 pm

wachlarz wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:59 pm
Ekundu01 wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:38 pm
wachlarz wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:19 pm
So make the math:
Averange tank armor with pot no armor talis about 4.6k.I can armor debuff -1,500 so 3100k next 50% PB 1560k. My Ws is 47,7% +3% from inv helemt. So 1560k > 780 armor left. But i think this dont work like this.
First 47% Ws gives only 780 armor red. ?
Sec if i dont use armor pene from skill on tank so: 4,6k>50% Pb >2,3k >47% from WS >1,15 so better dont use armor pene skill ??
If first Ws calc. 4,6> 50% WS >2,3 then -1,5k from skill >800 and Pb 50%> 400 armor ? So Pb reduce 400 armor ?
If first Ws calc. 4.6>50% WS>2,3 next PB> 1,15k >armor debuff 1,5 > -350 armor ?
Basicly it would look like this 4600 armor - 1500 from cutting claw = 3100 left. 3100 - 1457 from ws armor pen = 1643 - 821 PB = 822 armor left for calculated mitigation from the hit. This is only if the target you are hitting has 0 reduced armor pen and more then likely a tank would have some sort of reduced armor pen. I believe reduced armor pen may count twice because of the 2 checks but i could be wrong. (this would have to be tested)

This is just armor mitigation though so if the high armor target is also stacking toughness you still won't see as big a hit as you do on light armor targets but it will be higher then just stacking str with no WS.
Are U read 3 last lines i write ? This cant be. So better dont use cutting claw and U will have MORE armor pene.
No cause not using cutting claw would leave them with higher armor.

4600 armor - WS armor pen 2162 = 2438 armor - 50% from PB = 1219 armor.

Edited - I think you are adding and not multiplying. Once the armor is reduced by WS you can only apply PB reduction to the remaining armor after the ws reduction. Anything that reduces armor by a flat amount is done first then WS reductions are done based on what is left and PB reduction is done on what is left after the flat reduction and ws reduction.

This is why on light armor targets the % based bypasses do less for you and stacking more str wins out.
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