Re: Marauder questions, thoughts and hopes
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:20 pm
@pandastyle , have you try the gear setup with a full brutality buil ?
If yes , how it performs ?
If yes , how it performs ?
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Hey Wildwind, I cant help but to agree with you. I too feel the frustration of playing a mara sometimes, a class that is supposedly a dps role but feels a bit lackluster at the moment. So I try to play to mara strength which is decent sustain aoe dps with debuff utility in the form of the init debuff, aoe interrupt w/ 50% disorient and aoe kd to save a healer from getting ganked for example. Too bad morale drain was nerfed to the ground, I just do not understand why Crushing Blows was severly nerfed and butchered like this. Instead they could have made it 10% chance to drain 100 to 125 morale if 25% chance to drain 225 was indeed too OP for Order to counter. But now its just useless.wildwindblows wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:04 pm Folks no offense but i really have concern about which class is dps atm. Is Mara a dps class or dps chosen/bo is better? I actually cannot do damage like these two with my end gear rr85 mara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbGw9o3jocg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR8pODv27Ww&t=24s
i really like the class but its gimped not worth the time and effort.zediscool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:04 amHey Wildwind, I cant help but to agree with you. I too feel the frustration of playing a mara sometimes, a class that is supposedly a dps role but feels a bit lackluster at the moment. So I try to play to mara strength which is decent sustain aoe dps with debuff utility in the form of the init debuff, aoe interrupt w/ 50% disorient and aoe kd to save a healer from getting ganked for example. Too bad morale drain was nerfed to the ground, I just do not understand why Crushing Blows was severly nerfed and butchered like this. Instead they could have made it 10% chance to drain 100 to 125 morale if 25% chance to drain 225 was indeed too OP for Order to counter. But now its just useless.wildwindblows wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:04 pm Folks no offense but i really have concern about which class is dps atm. Is Mara a dps class or dps chosen/bo is better? I actually cannot do damage like these two with my end gear rr85 mara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbGw9o3jocg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR8pODv27Ww&t=24s
I too watch Insolence and Gurrd videos. They are just amazing at what they do. IMO I think a Brut marauder could do similar burst as a dps BO or Chosen maybe a bit less but what maras have that dps tanks lack is mobility/gap closers. Maras obviously lack a pounce but our pull, charge and M1 (now nerfed to 30ft) are good at kite prevention and catching fleeing Order. Dps tanks can get kited all day if they get knocked down and miss applying their slow.
Couple of patches ago mara wounds debuff got buffed to 120. It was finally about time. Its great that devs are listening considering this is a free game and they are probably busy. Buff came a bit late but I think if we are frustrated with mara then we should keep voicing mara issues and propose reasonable fixes/buffs to the devs like what Kalt did with his Bruta tree proposal. There were also several proposal/feedback threads over the years about tweaking the Savagery tree. They are buried in the forums now and we should probably rebring it to the surface.
Can you give me your stats on full invader , and how much your AA damage goes with both brut proc and invader proc ?Pandastyle wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:46 pm I did but I am still not convinced. I agree however with Zedis. For rr60-80 Maras this is maybe viable but in 5sov/3warlord and sent jewel + tali and 4 ranks in melee crit renown I am at 34 % crit without FoF, almost soft capped str with pot, and 350 WS (25% armor pen) and 8.2k hp... only thing worse is that the AA is only at 2.2 not 1.7
I suggest: If you have the gear, go with the endgame gear. For lower ranks it may be quite viable, but keep in mind you probably miss out on the renown crit rate then
Well i have to disagree. Marauder has a much better burst than a dps chosen or even a malice bg. You have to keep in mind that in single target , you have much more damage than any tank.Sofong wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:09 ami really like the class but its gimped not worth the time and effort.zediscool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 3:04 amHey Wildwind, I cant help but to agree with you. I too feel the frustration of playing a mara sometimes, a class that is supposedly a dps role but feels a bit lackluster at the moment. So I try to play to mara strength which is decent sustain aoe dps with debuff utility in the form of the init debuff, aoe interrupt w/ 50% disorient and aoe kd to save a healer from getting ganked for example. Too bad morale drain was nerfed to the ground, I just do not understand why Crushing Blows was severly nerfed and butchered like this. Instead they could have made it 10% chance to drain 100 to 125 morale if 25% chance to drain 225 was indeed too OP for Order to counter. But now its just useless.wildwindblows wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:04 pm Folks no offense but i really have concern about which class is dps atm. Is Mara a dps class or dps chosen/bo is better? I actually cannot do damage like these two with my end gear rr85 mara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbGw9o3jocg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR8pODv27Ww&t=24s
I too watch Insolence and Gurrd videos. They are just amazing at what they do. IMO I think a Brut marauder could do similar burst as a dps BO or Chosen maybe a bit less but what maras have that dps tanks lack is mobility/gap closers. Maras obviously lack a pounce but our pull, charge and M1 (now nerfed to 30ft) are good at kite prevention and catching fleeing Order. Dps tanks can get kited all day if they get knocked down and miss applying their slow.
Couple of patches ago mara wounds debuff got buffed to 120. It was finally about time. Its great that devs are listening considering this is a free game and they are probably busy. Buff came a bit late but I think if we are frustrated with mara then we should keep voicing mara issues and propose reasonable fixes/buffs to the devs like what Kalt did with his Bruta tree proposal. There were also several proposal/feedback threads over the years about tweaking the Savagery tree. They are buried in the forums now and we should probably rebring it to the surface.
my 60 anti detaunt bg shut down a healer more effectively than my 81mara, malice bg provide similar debuffs and dmg to the group, while being way more tankier and useful.
Seems like problem is with your marauder particulary.wildwindblows wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:04 pm I actually cannot do damage like these two with my end gear rr85 mara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbGw9o3jocg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR8pODv27Ww&t=24s
Shaq, even brut mara cannot hit like dps chosen and dps bo. I think best small scale/ranked sc mara build is sav/brut. Full brut mara is not usefull in ranked sc's.palindrom wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:08 amSeems like problem is with your marauder particulary.wildwindblows wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:04 pm I actually cannot do damage like these two with my end gear rr85 mara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbGw9o3jocg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR8pODv27Ww&t=24s
You are wrong.wildwindblows wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:22 amShaq, even brut mara cannot hit like dps chosen and dps bo. I think best small scale/ranked sc mara build is sav/brut. Full brut mara is not usefull in ranked sc's.palindrom wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:08 amSeems like problem is with your marauder particulary.wildwindblows wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:04 pm I actually cannot do damage like these two with my end gear rr85 mara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbGw9o3jocg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UR8pODv27Ww&t=24s