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Re: BG help, I want to be the very best

Post#51 » Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:39 pm

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Re: BG help, I want to be the very best

Post#52 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:12 pm

To the BG veterans out there -- is there a gear level/RR where 2h BG really "takes off" and becomes formidable?

I've ended up at 40/50 with dom/BL/conq feeling pretty anemic in terms of both damage output and survive. I understand that's the 2h tank trade off, but I feel like a 2h BO does nearly everything (except wounds debuff/crimson death) that I can do, with better DPS and tank - just with less situational buttons.

Rough picture of my stats is 500 Str, 400 Tough, 850 W, 450 WS, 3.5k armor, 0% crit chance. All renown in Parry, anti-crit, dodge/disrupt.

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Re: BG help, I want to be the very best

Post#53 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:18 pm

Your stats seem good, and I'm guessing you go up to 4.2k+ armor when you have a pot?

40/50 is a bit low for 2H BG, imo: 70 is a sweetspot, as you gain access to Malice goodies, as well as the AoE snare & Anger Drives Me from Loathing.

What rotation are you using? At least 5-pc Dominator is what you should be using for damage output, but I would only advise doing this if you are in a comfortable group, with good heals and a second tank.
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Re: BG help, I want to be the very best

Post#54 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:42 pm

Yeah, I'm reluctant to run full domi as I'm often justifying my presence by playing guardbot for choppas. I run a toughness pot to avoid toughness buff GCD. Rotations are different for different circumstances, but all start with buff/EB to 100 hate and utility skills filter in as necessary.

AOE WB: PS to activate FwF, then CD, FH, and MR until 0 hate. EB to hate pump back up.

Burst: taunt, Malignant Strike, HW, PS, CD, EB, repeat.

I think part of the problem may be from using EB in the damage rotation instead of spamming PS/CA until 0 hate and using EB as a hate-pump.

If I get on someone VERY squishy I'll see some 300+ hits, but most of the time I'm seeing 50%+ of my damage mitigated. I'm assuming this is from everyone stacking armor these days, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot I could do to deal with it besides trade off toughness for more WS.

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Re: BG help, I want to be the very best

Post#55 » Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:59 pm

Just wait till you get a better gear+more rr. Basically your damage shine when you have max rr and “bis” equipment + a heal support. Until that focus on debuffing - punting people to Africa, 60-70 % parry is good to mitigating most of the guard damage and you have an option to stack nearly 1k+ toughness which will help in orvr.
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Re: BG help, I want to be the very best

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Re: BG help, I want to be the very best

Post#57 » Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:17 am

Lokiusus wrote:
Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:42 pm
Yeah, I'm reluctant to run full domi as I'm often justifying my presence by playing guardbot for choppas. I run a toughness pot to avoid toughness buff GCD. Rotations are different for different circumstances, but all start with buff/EB to 100 hate and utility skills filter in as necessary.

AOE WB: PS to activate FwF, then CD, FH, and MR until 0 hate. EB to hate pump back up.

Burst: taunt, Malignant Strike, HW, PS, CD, EB, repeat.

I think part of the problem may be from using EB in the damage rotation instead of spamming PS/CA until 0 hate and using EB as a hate-pump.

If I get on someone VERY squishy I'll see some 300+ hits, but most of the time I'm seeing 50%+ of my damage mitigated. I'm assuming this is from everyone stacking armor these days, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot I could do to deal with it besides trade off toughness for more WS.
If you are running Hastened Doom, use EB as a quick hate generator since it stops you from auto attacking when channelling. 50% AA haste is criminally underrated on 2H tanks. If you are going to taunt someone for burst, I would save it for when you are about to hit them with your hardest hitting abilities (Crimson Death) rather than at the very start of your rotation when you are still setting them up with debuffs. Less chance of you losing the damage buff from taunt if you get CC’d and hit 3 times which can happen occasionally.

Don’t worry about your damage too much. As long as stuff is dying when you assist off your DPS and you’re managing your buffs/debuffs efficiently then I wouldn’t worry about not seeing big numbers.
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