[DoK vs WP] Comparison

[dalen]

The numbers in the career builder are supposed to reflect a lvl 40 character, with no gear, renown training or mastery training. If it doesn't match that, feel free to file a bug report at https://github.com/Natherul/RoRBuilder/issues

But I can take a look at these specific skills and check that they are correct.

[Snoxx]

abilties damage depends on weapon dps ( not speed ) , and 2h weapon has more dps than 1h weapon
unless it accounts BOTH weapon to calculate ability damage, but dont think so

offhand-weapon dps is calculated into the ability damage.

A simple test everyone can do:
Go to the test dummies in the capital city, hit them with two weapons, check damage, after that remove your offhand weapons and hit them again.
Result: Ability damage with both weapons is higher than with only one (one-handed) weapon.

Conclusion:
WP and DoK should deal near-identical ability damage.

WP is more bursty.

The initiave debuff + 2hander spikes increases the dps output of the WP somewhere between 100-200dps (around 50% more dmg) more then DoK in the initial engagement compared to Toughness debuff+faster AA including procs from Covenants.

True, but it's only half the truth.

DoK can use Devour Essence as a burst ability. Raw damage output (against test dummies) is about 400 non-crit and 600+ crit per second. The skill lasts 5 seconds and you can keep hitting your target with abilities while this extra-burst damage is ticking. And let's not forget this is an AoE skill, so DoK actually has some AoE burst as well.

WP has nothing comparable.

[roadkillrobin]

Spoiler:

abilties damage depends on weapon dps ( not speed ) , and 2h weapon has more dps than 1h weapon
unless it accounts BOTH weapon to calculate ability damage, but dont think so

offhand-weapon dps is calculated into the ability damage.

A simple test everyone can do:
Go to the test dummies in the capital city, hit them with two weapons, check damage, after that remove your offhand weapons and hit them again.
Result: Ability damage with both weapons is higher than with only one (one-handed) weapon.

Conclusion:
WP and DoK should deal near-identical ability damage.

WP is more bursty.

The initiave debuff + 2hander spikes increases the dps output of the WP somewhere between 100-200dps (around 50% more dmg) more then DoK in the initial engagement compared to Toughness debuff+faster AA including procs from Covenants.

True, but it's only half the truth.

DoK can use Devour Essence as a burst ability. Raw damage output (against test dummies) is about 400 non-crit and 600+ crit per second. The skill lasts 5 seconds and you can keep hitting your target with abilities while this extra-burst damage is ticking. And let's not forget this is an AoE skill, so DoK actually has some AoE burst as well.

WP has nothing comparable.

I did test naked without any Mastery points or tactics and same lvls of weapons.
When you start adding things like choises in, especially when they differs, then imo variables becomes a bit complex to actually do dps number crunches comparissons with. But that new skill, Sigmar's Wrath probobly rivals Devour Essence in terms of burst.

As for the AoE dps possibilites yes, DoK is way, way better at it. I even ran a dps AoE spec DoK in our warband once when we were short on dps and refused to swap class. Got plenty of kills and the AoE HD was actually doing decent work. Was even able to provide some grouphealing with Transfer Essence as a filler bewteen Essence Lashes.

[xarax]

but you just cant compare 2h vs DW, because this is only relevant for dmg dok/wp. Think also about melee heal where both use 1h.
And i'm also fine from a dok dmg perspective. Was just wondering about the numbers.

Edit: but it seems to be a issue with char buider. When you check Sigmar's Radiance it shows 202 dmg and and 337 heal in comparison to 155 dmg and 232 heal on Transfer Essence.

But the tactics Empowered Transfer and Grace of Sigmar would increase the heal to 282, which would be a loss for WP

[dalen]

I checked and corrected all the values for the WP on the character builder now. Some of them had too high values.

Will take a look at all the DoK values on career builder later.

[xarax]

I checked and corrected all the values for the WP on the character builder now. Some of them had too high values.

Will take a look at all the DoK values on career builder later.

thank you

[dalen]

And now all DoK damage and heal values have been corrected. Almost all of them were correct, but some needed small fixes.

[Rydiak]

WP abilities do not hit harder.
Only the autoattacks hit harder.

abilties damage depends on weapon dps ( not speed ) , and 2h weapon has more dps than 1h weapon
unless it accounts BOTH weapon to calculate ability damage, but dont think so

45% of off-hand DPS value gets added onto main-hand DPS value for purposes of melee ability damage calculations.