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CountTalabecland
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#31 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:16 pm

Wait ppl use Rune Etched Axe with SnB w/o the punt tactic?

Why waste a GCD to do almost no damage? Unless we're talking about 2h play in wbs?

As stated above, IB isnt taken in wb/city because it is a buffbot with weak buffs compared to Knight. Only thing it has going for it is the almighty and much praised 10% crit buff and 25% parry buff (bringing both of which is rather expensive spec wise until rr 60/70), hell IB's usually skip their own +10% block tactic just to bring both of them because the class is so desperate for buffs that actually matter.
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teiloh
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#32 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:20 pm

Foofmonger wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:17 pm
I just don't see giving IBs a spammable grudge eating physical aoe attack as any kind of game-breaking issue personally. It's not like Monstrous Rending is getting BGs spots in cities here.
The IB was a pretty solidly designed class before Cave-In got nerfed down to 3 seconds rather than 5. There wasn't this expectation of AOE hitting 24+ people.

Right now, it seems like every balance request centers around a class' lack of AOE. rSW, rSH, WE and WH all have this same problem.

I think something has to be done about AOE. I'd prefer uncapping it honestly but adding fall-off zones.

ChicagoJoe
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#33 » Wed Aug 05, 2020 8:56 pm

Kinda embarrassing that Avenging the Debt hasn't been addressed as probably the worst remaining skill in the game before all the buffs to already viable classes.

How can destro tanks get so many good skills mirrored from order and ib's not get that corrected?

Look at ANY other tanks middle (shield) skill and they are all usable. Looking at the class mod history over the last few days and it really looks one sided. No wonder order is getting stomped in cities.

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xanderous
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#34 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 3:51 am

romgaard wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:26 pm
xanderous wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:29 pm
BG is more of selfish tank, gets lots of good tactics for himself like increased parry, disrupt, toughness, the only thing it really has to support beyond basic tank role is crimson death and furious howl, damage absorb is not too bad either but its pretty comparable to sm/borc absorb capability. IB has the ability to provide himself and oathfriend with increased crit and parry which has no CD and a really good aoe knockback that also snares ontop of the existing aoe snare from earthshatter and lets not forget that his rune etched ace can ignore 100% armor at full grudge, which BG monstrous rending does not.
Nobody runs with a build like that
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... mt=3766&t=
I did not post a build, no idea what your talking about.
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romgaard
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#35 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:51 am

xanderous wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:29 pm
......IB has the ability to provide himself and oathfriend with increased crit and parry which has no CD and a really good aoe knockback that also snares ontop of the existing aoe snare from earthshatter and lets not forget that his rune etched ace can ignore 100% armor at full grudge, which BG monstrous rending does not.
u posted a build right there...its crap, but u posted it...unless you were just ( like a lot of others) just posting the best abilities from IB and say" look, they are fine...see how powerfull they are"

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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#36 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:23 am

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xanderous
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#37 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:34 am

romgaard wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:51 am
xanderous wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:29 pm
......IB has the ability to provide himself and oathfriend with increased crit and parry which has no CD and a really good aoe knockback that also snares ontop of the existing aoe snare from earthshatter and lets not forget that his rune etched ace can ignore 100% armor at full grudge, which BG monstrous rending does not.
u posted a build right there...its crap, but u posted it...unless you were just ( like a lot of others) just posting the best abilities from IB and say" look, they are fine...see how powerfull they are"
yeah thats not me posting a build, though you can certainly use those those abilities and tactic for rune etched axe in one and it would be fine, defiently not crap, heres a typical example of one i would use for roaming in a group, you can swap out ancestral inheritance for punishing knock when no HD in a group or when doing sc's.
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,3763,3761
Bashgutz RR82 Borc Vaseryn RR61 SM Krantz RR82 Knight Corvinus RR70 Chosen Mormonty RR64 IB
Starkus RR68 BG Snaptz RR83 SH Plagueis RR81 Magus Alec RR75 Engie Sourgazt RR60 Shaman
Kreaver RR78 Marauder Dugald RR70 Slayer

romgaard
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#38 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:18 am

xanderous wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:34 am
romgaard wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:51 am
xanderous wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:29 pm
......IB has the ability to provide himself and oathfriend with increased crit and parry which has no CD and a really good aoe knockback that also snares ontop of the existing aoe snare from earthshatter and lets not forget that his rune etched ace can ignore 100% armor at full grudge, which BG monstrous rending does not.
u posted a build right there...its crap, but u posted it...unless you were just ( like a lot of others) just posting the best abilities from IB and say" look, they are fine...see how powerfull they are"
yeah thats not me posting a build, though you can certainly use those those abilities and tactic for rune etched axe in one and it would be fine, defiently not crap, heres a typical example of one i would use for roaming in a group, you can swap out ancestral inheritance for punishing knock when no HD in a group or when doing sc's.
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,3763,3761
As Count correct stated:
"As stated above, IB isnt taken in wb/city because it is a buffbot with weak buffs compared to Knight. Only thing it has going for it is the almighty and much praised 10% crit buff and 25% parry buff (bringing both of which is rather expensive spec wise until rr 60/70), hell IB's usually skip their own +10% block tactic just to bring both of them because the class is so desperate for buffs that actually matter."

What are you trying to achive with that build?..some attempt to make a dps SnB?

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xanderous
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#39 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:41 am

romgaard wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:18 am
xanderous wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:34 am
romgaard wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 4:51 am


u posted a build right there...its crap, but u posted it...unless you were just ( like a lot of others) just posting the best abilities from IB and say" look, they are fine...see how powerfull they are"
yeah thats not me posting a build, though you can certainly use those those abilities and tactic for rune etched axe in one and it would be fine, defiently not crap, heres a typical example of one i would use for roaming in a group, you can swap out ancestral inheritance for punishing knock when no HD in a group or when doing sc's.
https://builder.returnofreckoning.com/c ... ,3763,3761
"As stated above, IB isnt taken in wb/city because it is a buffbot with weak buffs compared to Knight. Only thing it has going for it is the almighty and much praised 10% crit buff and 25% parry buff

What are you trying to achive with that build?..some attempt to make a dps SnB?
The reason SM/knight gets picked over IB is because knight has auras + stay focused crit increaser that not only effects critical hit but critical healing as well and SM has CD reduction, giving IB more aoe dps would not change anything for them.

Well you achieve the role of a tank which is that of being a support class, I don't know why you would care about IB doing aoe dps when dwarfs have the best aoe damage MDPS in the game, i don' t think you want to play an IB, i think you want to play a slayer :lol:
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Re: Make heavy blow hit 3 targets

Post#40 » Thu Aug 06, 2020 8:46 am

teiloh wrote:
Wed Aug 05, 2020 7:20 pm
Foofmonger wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:17 pm
I just don't see giving IBs a spammable grudge eating physical aoe attack as any kind of game-breaking issue personally. It's not like Monstrous Rending is getting BGs spots in cities here.
The IB was a pretty solidly designed class before Cave-In got nerfed down to 3 seconds rather than 5...
Cave-In never was a 5s KD, always 3s... The dot tics for 5s ;) same back on live.

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