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[KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

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Cyrylius
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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#71 » Thu May 12, 2022 6:46 am

You can't (or at least shouldn't) compare BG to Knight and completely forget about Knight debuffing resistances for everyone close while buffing them and healing for the party. And I'm not even talking about the third aura Knights run these days. Main issue of Knight is, auras alone make it almost mandatory for every content at every level of the game regardless of what other utility it brings as long as it has the punt and guard. And, while in small-scale you can run BG, and it is very good, you can have success with running double chosen - BG brings useful utility, but isn't a must have tank, you can have a party without one still functioning properly.

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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#72 » Thu May 12, 2022 8:12 am

Evilspinnre wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:24 pm
junkxjunk wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:24 pm
Maybe the problem is that arcing swing+tactic+staggering impact+AOE snare is a bit too good.
Nobody uses staggering impact in competitive play.
+1 and i never used aoe snare too, because this is Myrmidia's Fury build with Runefang (before nerf) and Smashing Counter ability and with Vigilance also....

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Evilspinnre
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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#73 » Thu May 12, 2022 10:11 am

Battlefield wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:12 am
Evilspinnre wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:24 pm
junkxjunk wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:24 pm
Maybe the problem is that arcing swing+tactic+staggering impact+AOE snare is a bit too good.
Nobody uses staggering impact in competitive play.
+1 and i never used aoe snare too, because this is Myrmidia's Fury build with Runefang (before nerf) and Smashing Counter ability and with Vigilance also....
AoE snare is a must for 2h and SnB KOTBS build though ;)
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sharpblader
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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#74 » Thu May 12, 2022 11:24 am

Evilspinnre wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:11 am
Battlefield wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:12 am
Evilspinnre wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:24 pm


Nobody uses staggering impact in competitive play.
+1 and i never used aoe snare too, because this is Myrmidia's Fury build with Runefang (before nerf) and Smashing Counter ability and with Vigilance also....
AoE snare is a must for 2h and SnB KOTBS build though ;)

That is exactly the problem.

Even as 2h, Knights are forced to slot 3 utility tactics which makes them so good for groups that buffing any damage on the knights themselves means possibly making the class too OP.

I've tested staggering impact when they made all 2h have 10% parry strike through. Even though it is a good amount of strike through it does squat because conquest as a tree is bad in terms of damage. In terms of group play, Staggering impact is worthless in the Slayer train meta.

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zulnam
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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#75 » Thu May 12, 2022 12:59 pm

Evilspinnre wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:11 am
Battlefield wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:12 am
Evilspinnre wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:24 pm


Nobody uses staggering impact in competitive play.
+1 and i never used aoe snare too, because this is Myrmidia's Fury build with Runefang (before nerf) and Smashing Counter ability and with Vigilance also....
AoE snare is a must for 2h and SnB KOTBS build though ;)
Ok, break it down to me:

How is a snare that hits up to 3 targets better than, say, Ironbreaker's Earthshatter, an aoe cone snare that slows for just as much?
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Battlefield
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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#76 » Thu May 12, 2022 2:51 pm

sharpblader wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 11:24 am
Evilspinnre wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:11 am
Battlefield wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:12 am


+1 and i never used aoe snare too, because this is Myrmidia's Fury build with Runefang (before nerf) and Smashing Counter ability and with Vigilance also....
AoE snare is a must for 2h and SnB KOTBS build though ;)

That is exactly the problem.

Even as 2h, Knights are forced to slot 3 utility tactics which makes them so good for groups that buffing any damage on the knights themselves means possibly making the class too OP.

I've tested staggering impact when they made all 2h have 10% parry strike through. Even though it is a good amount of strike through it does squat because conquest as a tree is bad in terms of damage. In terms of group play, Staggering impact is worthless in the Slayer train meta.
Must for "premade" only, i used tactics crit,thougness,runefang and absorb or ap tactic, was fine and i did not need your premade play style cause i hate to be a utility bot but i liked the Knight before..... !

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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#77 » Thu May 12, 2022 4:01 pm

zulnam wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 12:59 pm
Evilspinnre wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:11 am
Battlefield wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 8:12 am


+1 and i never used aoe snare too, because this is Myrmidia's Fury build with Runefang (before nerf) and Smashing Counter ability and with Vigilance also....
AoE snare is a must for 2h and SnB KOTBS build though ;)
Ok, break it down to me:

How is a snare that hits up to 3 targets better than, say, Ironbreaker's Earthshatter, an aoe cone snare that slows for just as much?
Uptime vs skill cd. Kotb snare will be perma up and even if by any chance cleansed it will be reaplied quickly. Ib aoe snare at best of times will have 50% uptime.

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zulnam
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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#78 » Thu May 12, 2022 7:40 pm

Gravord wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 4:01 pm
zulnam wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 12:59 pm
Evilspinnre wrote:
Thu May 12, 2022 10:11 am


AoE snare is a must for 2h and SnB KOTBS build though ;)
Ok, break it down to me:

How is a snare that hits up to 3 targets better than, say, Ironbreaker's Earthshatter, an aoe cone snare that slows for just as much?
Uptime vs skill cd. Kotb snare will be perma up and even if by any chance cleansed it will be reaplied quickly. Ib aoe snare at best of times will have 50% uptime.
Ah. I guess that makes sense.
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Muurloen
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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#79 » Sat May 21, 2022 7:28 pm

Evilspinnre wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:24 pm
junkxjunk wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:24 pm
Maybe the problem is that arcing swing+tactic+staggering impact+AOE snare is a bit too good.
Nobody uses staggering impact in competitive play.
That's where your wrong, bucko.;)
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Evilspinnre
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Re: [KOTBS] Myrmidia's Fury.

Post#80 » Sat May 21, 2022 8:12 pm

Muurloen wrote:
Sat May 21, 2022 7:28 pm
Evilspinnre wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 4:24 pm
junkxjunk wrote:
Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:24 pm
Maybe the problem is that arcing swing+tactic+staggering impact+AOE snare is a bit too good.
Nobody uses staggering impact in competitive play.
That's where your wrong, bucko.;)
Best 6v6 teams don't use it, best 2h Kotbs in competitive city don't use it - where am I wrong?
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