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reynor007
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Re: Suggestion Knight of the Blazing Sun

Post#171 » Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:13 am

diegomess wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:05 pm [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcTWzdlCACU[/youtube] chosen ultra god glory days. I think i exaggerated with 2k ravages but hes close even to tanks, i could only do 1.2k ravages to slayers and some engis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bYvzczhx3I&t=310s
10:31 I think we can close our conversation with this, you just admit that you were wrong


so that you understand, in your video, the aura of resistance completely affected the enemy, later a patch was released that reduced it to 50%
I saw a video where WH has 5k crit, so wh is also weaker here than on live? need up wh!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8viWjnS4kgc&t=183s 3:40
WH - mdpv 80+
WE - Witchrage 80+

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diegomess
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Re: Suggestion Knight of the Blazing Sun

Post#172 » Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:08 pm

reynor007 wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:13 am
diegomess wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:05 pm [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcTWzdlCACU[/youtube] chosen ultra god glory days. I think i exaggerated with 2k ravages but hes close even to tanks, i could only do 1.2k ravages to slayers and some engis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bYvzczhx3I&t=310s
10:31 I think we can close our conversation with this, you just admit that you were wrong


so that you understand, in your video, the aura of resistance completely affected the enemy, later a patch was released that reduced it to 50%
I saw a video where WH has 5k crit, so wh is also weaker here than on live? need up wh!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8viWjnS4kgc&t=183s 3:40
because he was using the tactic quoted by you as the broken op spirit damage that got removed like 2 years ago? + focused offense on a lowbie engi? what about now, still the other video is doing overall more consistent damage even on tanks without focused offense, didnt knew about the resist aura thing tho.
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reynor007
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Re: Suggestion Knight of the Blazing Sun

Post#173 » Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:07 am

diegomess wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:08 pm
reynor007 wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:13 am
diegomess wrote: Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:05 pm [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcTWzdlCACU[/youtube] chosen ultra god glory days. I think i exaggerated with 2k ravages but hes close even to tanks, i could only do 1.2k ravages to slayers and some engis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bYvzczhx3I&t=310s
10:31 I think we can close our conversation with this, you just admit that you were wrong


so that you understand, in your video, the aura of resistance completely affected the enemy, later a patch was released that reduced it to 50%
I saw a video where WH has 5k crit, so wh is also weaker here than on live? need up wh!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8viWjnS4kgc&t=183s 3:40
because he was using the tactic quoted by you as the broken op spirit damage that got removed like 2 years ago? + focused offense on a lowbie engi? what about now, still the other video is doing overall more consistent damage even on tanks without focused offense, didnt knew about the resist aura thing tho.
let's start by saying that in your video there was a "Focused Offense" tactic and he had 80rr weapons, your words were about some kind of dmg nerf and that you are not able to deal more than 1200 damage, I showed you that you are misleading people, but obviously you are the same as krima, you will continue to deny facts that you don’t like, you will talk about some kind of nerfs and that the knight is stronger
WH - mdpv 80+
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diegomess
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Re: Suggestion Knight of the Blazing Sun

Post#174 » Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:25 pm

reynor007 wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:07 am
diegomess wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:08 pm
reynor007 wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:13 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bYvzczhx3I&t=310s
10:31 I think we can close our conversation with this, you just admit that you were wrong


so that you understand, in your video, the aura of resistance completely affected the enemy, later a patch was released that reduced it to 50%
I saw a video where WH has 5k crit, so wh is also weaker here than on live? need up wh!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8viWjnS4kgc&t=183s 3:40
because he was using the tactic quoted by you as the broken op spirit damage that got removed like 2 years ago? + focused offense on a lowbie engi? what about now, still the other video is doing overall more consistent damage even on tanks without focused offense, didnt knew about the resist aura thing tho.
let's start by saying that in your video there was a "Focused Offense" tactic and he had 80rr weapons, your words were about some kind of dmg nerf and that you are not able to deal more than 1200 damage, I showed you that you are misleading people, but obviously you are the same as krima, you will continue to deny facts that you don’t like, you will talk about some kind of nerfs and that the knight is stronger
really don't know why you have to get mad about it, can't handle a discussion?

ok let's get back a bit, I said chosen damage has been nerfed u said no I showed you an old live video that he does the double of the damage with any ability not just ravage and even to tanks then you show me a year old video to compare he was stronger... yes chosen was strong with discordand winds but still didnt do the same dmg as live, the thing is bro this doesn't matter because the tactic got removed like 1.5 years ago, WHAT ABOUT NOW? now the chosen is still very strong at melee but not what he used to be, but yet you say he is stronger now than live and **** when is just not, who is misleading?.

Now the knight has been nerfed as well, like i said and everybody agrees they do less dmg, but they have way more utility that makes their team and realm stronger, and chosen doesn't have this, this is what makes knights more valuable in every scenario vs chosen that has more solo capabilities... knights here are asking for a buff but don't see the risk about getting more dmg to a tank that already does too much for their realm it would make them very OP outside solo roaming have you even thought about that?? no knights here are proposing a balance just asking for buff and bitching about chosen.
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sharpblader
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Re: Suggestion Knight of the Blazing Sun

Post#175 » Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:11 am

Spoiler:
reynor007 wrote: Sun Feb 27, 2022 11:07 am
diegomess wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:08 pm
reynor007 wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:13 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bYvzczhx3I&t=310s
10:31 I think we can close our conversation with this, you just admit that you were wrong


so that you understand, in your video, the aura of resistance completely affected the enemy, later a patch was released that reduced it to 50%
I saw a video where WH has 5k crit, so wh is also weaker here than on live? need up wh!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8viWjnS4kgc&t=183s 3:40
because he was using the tactic quoted by you as the broken op spirit damage that got removed like 2 years ago? + focused offense on a lowbie engi? what about now, still the other video is doing overall more consistent damage even on tanks without focused offense, didnt knew about the resist aura thing tho.
let's start by saying that in your video there was a "Focused Offense" tactic and he had 80rr weapons, your words were about some kind of dmg nerf and that you are not able to deal more than 1200 damage, I showed you that you are misleading people, but obviously you are the same as krima, you will continue to deny facts that you don’t like, you will talk about some kind of nerfs and that the knight is stronger
First of all, live should not be used as a basis for anything given that the whole mechanic of Chosen and Knight has been revamped in RoR.

Secondly, call it a nerf or reversal of something that should not have been implemented in the first place, the fact is that Chosens cannot steam roll like they used to with Cleave when they made Discordant Winds do full spirit damage on 4th Jan 2020. This change was indeed a test by the devs but they let it stay implemented till 23rd Oct 2020, almost 10 months. Hence, the fact is that Chosens have had their power reduced from then but are still strong.

I was unhappy when they removed Mighty Soul as I've been using it since the days of live. But the nerfs to the knight were very much needed. I repeat, no class should be able to 1vX so passively, and during that time knight could easily do so. Its also good that Vigilance was removed from 2h. It made the tactic Laurels of Victory obsolete but counterplay against it was hard given you could cover with two other buffs.

Honestly, knight can still defeat any melee. It takes more effort and gear but it is still possible.

Keeping aside solo gameplay for a moment, Knight is the best tank in every group content. Sure it deals the lowest damage in 6v6 but the healing buff, constant AoE snare and 10% ctbc increaser with Wounds debuff makes it an invaluable 2h tank. Hence diegomes is right that a flat damage increase will make it an over the top tank from a balance perspective.

To conclude this lengthy topic, my opinion is that the knight does not need any buff whatsoever without sacrificing the ability to use the utilities it currently has access to. On the flipside, M2 Emperor's Champion is OP in solo and needs to be toned down. I know it's an unpopular opinion, but its an honest one even though 2h knight is my main.

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Re: Suggestion Knight of the Blazing Sun

Post#176 » Tue Mar 01, 2022 5:11 pm

sharpblader wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:11 am I repeat, no class should be able to 1vX so passively,
Chosen able 1v2

sharpblader wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:11 am Honestly, knight can still defeat any melee. It takes more effort and gear but it is still possible.

if only 1v1 but not all players and not all classes, for exapmle def Witch or def Mara sovereign with armor stack and max regen is hard. Def 2h tanks with armor talismans and regen the same and they have armor debuff (BG,BO,Mara 1-3) but Kotbs should use weapon skill talismans instead.

sharpblader wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:11 am Keeping aside solo gameplay for a moment, Knight is the best tank in every group content. Sure it deals the lowest damage in 6v6 but the healing buff, constant AoE snare and 10% ctbc increaser with Wounds debuff makes it an invaluable 2h tank. Hence diegomes is right that a flat damage increase will make it an over the top tank from a balance perspective.

Chosen 25% healing incoming debuff, the same wounds debuff even with shield, 5% crit reduction tactic for team + much more damage and for ranked the damage is important thing too, sometimes even more than buffs and utility ! Knight gives +15% increasing of healing, k it is 115% healing in total but Chosen aura of incoming healing debuff 25% cut it to below 90%.
Now what is better?? Knight has outgoing aura debuff and it is more usless.

sharpblader wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 9:11 am To conclude this lengthy topic, my opinion is that the knight does not need any buff

Are you hater of the Knight and only Destr player?... I was before too, i have 3 chars 80rr++
on Destr side and 2 chars 70rr but I took a break for 6-7 months and after I came back and playing for the Order now because it needs for balance !

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