[WP] PLEASE, "GRACE" SHOULD BE MORE TANKY NOT MORE DPSY

[kam080]

Grace wp is hard to survive in frontline while DPS and healing.

As we all know, grace is based on str.

I suggest grace should be changed to fix-healing output not scale by str (or scale less by str) just scale by mastery tree and gears of them become toughness base.

Some skills of grace are also fixed healing output and not scaled by str: such as Sigmar's shield, sacrifice, and prayer of devotion.

Holding a shield to tank and heal sounds more rational than DPS and heal.

In the mirror class: DOK, devour essence also can become fixed healing.




We already have wrath for dps and Salvation For heal, why for grace for tankiness?




Please have a look and discuss it.

Grace wp should be a frontline healer and become tanky instead of doing DPS.

[Sciberr]

Yes buff Grace WP very weak class and spec

[Tyrodan]

Give them a 13-point-talent that enables them to spawn a battle tank. The guns can then be manned by other players. Engis have to resupply fuel and ammunition though - we don't want this class to get too op.

Edit:
The more I think about this, the more I like it. Imagine a main battle tank waltzing through Avelorn. Chilling dwarves sitting on top of it (they can snipe you from there). All the warning the poor destros get is a fortunateSon.wav sound that always plays in it's vicinity.

Yes this should be a thing.

[kam080]

Yes buff Grace WP very weak class and spec

Support, even if this is not a buff just a change of style, grace for dps is not so make sense.

The grace of now is a contradiction.

Maybe it is a interrupted update by the original designer of grace and it does not have further hot fix.

[anarchypark]

tanky heal is just solo meatshield.
don't have tanking tools, guard/challenge/HtL.
if you decrease healing, it would barely sustain ownself.

currently they fulfill actual healer role.
there's weakness and counter, like all class should have.
not like WE/WH.

[kam080]

tanky heal is just solo meatshield.
don't have tanking tools, guard/challenge/HtL.
if you decrease healing, it would barely sustain ownself.

currently they fulfill actual healer role.
there's weakness and counter, like all class should have.
not like WE/WH.

No need to become a full tank, it is irrational.

"TANKY" means having more/better survival ability in the frontline not being a guard, challenge, and CC tank,

Shielding grace is similar to a 6 man HTL.

GRACE had proper fixed healing before when the tactic of Grace of Sigmar hasn't changed.

when you want to DPS, it already has a 2h wrath build.

You may say, when you want to heal, you can use tome spec, then I would say changed some skills of Grace to absorb abilities to build more protection in fight.

[anarchypark]

tanky heal is just solo meatshield.
don't have tanking tools, guard/challenge/HtL.
if you decrease healing, it would barely sustain ownself.

currently they fulfill actual healer role.
there's weakness and counter, like all class should have.
not like WE/WH.

No need to become a full tank, it is irrational.

"TANKY" means having more/better survival ability in the frontline not being a guard, challenge, and CC tank,

Shielding grace is similar to a 6 man HTL.

GRACE had proper fixed healing before when the tactic of Grace of Sigmar hasn't changed.

when you want to DPS, it already has a 2h wrath build.

You may say, when you want to heal, you can use tome spec, then I would say changed some skills of Grace to absorb abilities to build more protection in fight.

i meant, with upgraded "tanky" and downgraded "healing"
you can't fulfill healer role in a grp.
when enemy focus your squishy dps, your "tanky" has no use without tank tool.
your low heal can't outheal enemy assist train.
your build is just solo meatshield. burden to the grp.

i'd tried tank wp, various versions.
it was fun solo tank. but what use of tank role without grp utility? just front line meatshield.
i'm fine with solo but it didn't fit in any role in the grp.

now snb wp are invited in grp and wb, as healer.
cuz it can heal. healing is another way to be "tanky". outhealing incoming dps and staying alive.

when you ask more tanky, it lost healing. else it's OP.
just stay few step behind of tank, second line.

[penagos22]

is not a tank, its not a dps, its not a heal... yes what a disgrace

[Scottx125]

I've played Grace BiS and it's disappointing to say the least. IMO It's trying to be too many things, a Tank, a Healer and a Dps. And it does none of these as well as it should. It's a high risk playstyle going onto the frontlines as a healer spec. And the payoff just doesn't feel good. Most time's you'll get ganked and die. Salvation will generally out heal you because they live longer and have better healing spells. As Grace you have one reliable group heal as part of your DPS rotation. That's it. And you might say "Well sure, but you're also tanky and do more damage than salvation". Sure. But doing 10x more damage of a salvation spec WP isn't much to talk about. Especially when you'll probably be doing less damage compared to most tanks. And you're only slightly more tanky. You're still gonna die pretty quick.

I'll go back to my original idea of what a Grace WP should be. A DPS healer. You can go shield spec or hammer spec. You rush into battles casting heals with RF. You then regenerate that RF with your melee damage abilities and melee healing abilities. It should be a balance of using your AP and RF. Also, why the Grace spec has not HoT melee heal I've no idea. Soulfire should have a Grace equivalent that siphons off enemy health and returns it to the group as healing every tick.

[Tyrex2017]

My 2 cts suggestions about WP Grace : make damage as spirit damage, give more toughness. dont change anything else.
For info : the hight end gear setup for WP shield seems to be tri now and not bis : sovereign, victorious, warlord = 15 ap / sec