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Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#1 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:13 am

Why snb Chosen may use aoe wounds debuff (Blast Wave), but snb Kotbs may not and requres 2h weapon for (Arcing Swing)?

In the rvr battles when warband vs warband snb Chosens reduce a decent amount of health of many opponents (about -1200 hp it's comparable to morale damage) .... but what about snb Kotbs?

WB leaders prefer snb Kotbs instead of 2h, especially when there are sieges or defenses. I guess no one else from the Order has such an aoe wounds debuff.

Developers please remove this restriction, I think it should have been fixed a long time ago or make the Blast Wave ability to use only with Great weapon.

A restriction may be added so that the Overpowering Swing tactic requires Great Weapon instead of the Arcing Swing

Thank you
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#2 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:50 pm

Why does Knight give the whole party 15% more healing and not just for himself as chosen?
Why does Knight Overpowering Swing only give a debuff after using the Arcing swing ability and not like Chosen which has to have a critical hit for it to work?
Why does Chosen have to sacrifice two tactics and Knight only one to achieve the same goal?

The classes in the game are not 100% their mirror images fortunately.
Chosen is still just a young Knight brother.
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#3 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:38 pm

Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:50 pm Why does Knight give the whole party 15% more healing and not just for himself as chosen?
Chosen's Tzeentch's Reflection now gives absorb effect for all party members every 30 seconds 1100 absorb damage

Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:50 pm Why does Knight Overpowering Swing only give a debuff after using the Arcing swing ability and not like Chosen which has to have a critical hit for it to work?
I don't understand what you said... Blast Wave does not requre a critical hit for wounds debuff

Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:50 pm Why does Chosen have to sacrifice two tactics and Knight only one to achieve the same goal?
Hmm, don't understand more details please. Okay, why Kotbs must spend tactic slot to get a parry buff but Chosen simply has ability that grants parry buff without tactic?


Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:50 pm The classes in the game are not 100% their mirror images fortunately.
This already concerns the balance of rvr and warband battles.

Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 2:50 pm Chosen is still just a young Knight brother.
Chosen is one of the best tanks in the game, I have 84rr Chosen. Chosen even got a Runefang(Daemonclaw) tactic from the Kotbs.

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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#4 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 4:51 pm

Well I also have 80+ Knight and almost 90 chosen.
I'm really not interested in 160 strength as a 2h tank.
I would really like chosen to give back Daemonclaw and get back the old CS stolen by SM.
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#5 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:00 pm

1140 aoe hp debuff in combat is like damage from mdps 2nd morale

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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#6 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:45 pm

Arcing swing is the only reason the 2H knight has to exist, since the devs already nerfed the kotbs 2h dps into oblivion ( it is a joke compared to a Chosen, well compared to everything in the game).

I guess if you did this it would finally complete the humiliation of 2H knight, i can't blame your suggestion since the devs started it themselves a long time ago.

Or do the right thing already and give back Mighty soul like the original design.

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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#7 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:57 pm

Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:00 pm 1140 aoe hp debuff in combat is like damage from mdps 2nd morale
Slot 2h > enjoy wounds debuff
Hurub Chopa 80+ / Wybrany Chosen 80+ / Mroczniak BG 60+ / Alubercik BO 50+ / Doczek DoK 80+ / Hurubek Zeal 80+ /
Misio Shaman 80+ / Maxra Mara 60+ / Alubertus RP 70+ / Alubert KTB 80+ / Mnich WP 60+ / Kregi SL 60+ / Uposledzonyjez IB 40+

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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#8 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:11 pm

Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:57 pm
Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:00 pm 1140 aoe hp debuff in combat is like damage from mdps 2nd morale
Slot 2h > enjoy wounds debuff
Here we go again - WB leaders prefer snb Kotbs instead of 2h, especially when there are sieges or defenses or there is even a requirement sometimes in shield spec for warbands.

Two ways to solve this, remove Great weapon restriction from the Arcing Swing or make the Blast Wave ability to use only with Great weapon.

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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#9 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:08 pm

Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:11 pm
Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:57 pm
Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 5:00 pm 1140 aoe hp debuff in combat is like damage from mdps 2nd morale
Slot 2h > enjoy wounds debuff
Here we go again - WB leaders prefer snb Kotbs instead of 2h, especially when there are sieges or defenses or there is even a requirement sometimes in shield spec for warbands.

Two ways to solve this, remove Great weapon restriction from the Arcing Swing or make the Blast Wave ability to use only with Great weapon.
This is a none issue tbh, SnB knight has Vigiliance and 15% heal. Arcing swing has got a +10 crit tactic and this is too much utility for SnB knight.

Focus on the real thing, why did the devs remove mighty soul? There is no balance justification. Whilst chosen only got CS removed but got runefang mirrow deamon claw and spirit conversion on relentless which it did not have originally.

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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#10 » Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:58 pm

Farrul wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:08 pm
Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:11 pm
Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:57 pm

Slot 2h > enjoy wounds debuff
Here we go again - WB leaders prefer snb Kotbs instead of 2h, especially when there are sieges or defenses or there is even a requirement sometimes in shield spec for warbands.

Two ways to solve this, remove Great weapon restriction from the Arcing Swing or make the Blast Wave ability to use only with Great weapon.
This is a none issue tbh, SnB knight has Vigiliance and 15% heal. Arcing swing has got a +10 crit tactic and this is too much utility for SnB knight.

Focus on the real thing, why did the devs remove mighty soul? There is no balance justification. Whilst chosen only got CS removed but got runefang mirrow deamon claw and spirit conversion on relentless which it did not have originally.
As i said this affects the balance of rvr warbands, when on one side snb tank able to use wounds debuff in battles and reduce a decent amount of health of many opponents but on the other side it can't

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