[WL] What happened?

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[WL] What happened?

Post#1 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:24 am

I dont play a WL, but after coming back from a break I went from seeing them everywhere and people calling them OP to not seeing them at all. What happened to them?

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Zaxxond
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Re: [WL] What happened?

Post#2 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:47 am

They had some changes implemented that were not well received by Order who mained them. On the flip side Destro has been celebrating ever since with a communal circle jerk for a job well done getting last great Order MDPS nerfed to the ground.
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Re: [WL] What happened?

Post#3 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:26 am

Zaxxond wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:47 am They had some changes implemented that were not well received by Order who mained them. On the flip side Destro has been celebrating ever since with a communal circle jerk for a job well done getting last great Order MDPS nerfed to the ground.
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Post#4 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:07 am

You make it sound as if order had no other melee dd than WL.
You make it sound like pouncing or pulling, followed by kd and max 3 gcd to kill a target was appropriate balance.
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Post#5 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:16 am

Trouble is, literally no one plays Slayer. No one. They are the least played MDPS by a BIG margin, and yet they are the best MDPS Order has.

Now look at the other options:
White Lion? Nerfed to the ground.
Witch Hunter? Lol you just try to do WH in WB.
Slayer? We already talked about Slayer.

The best part about all this is that it's not just MDPS with this problem. BW is Orders best RDPS by a LOT, yet is the least played, again by a big margin. Shadow Warriors have no appreciable burst by comparison and neither do Engineers really. Same deal with tanks. Ignoring the fact that there are VERY VERY VERY FEW TANKS AND HEALERS ON ORDER, everyone knows that KoTBS is the best WB/party tank, and yet they are the least played.

The point of all this? The game was biased in favor of Destro when it was being made by mythic, it was biased in favor of Destro when it was live, and it's biased in favor of Destro now because all of Orders strongest classes either have terrible aesthetics (BW and Slayer) or are just not fun to play (KoTBS), so no one does play them, and Order gets to desperately try to get something done when they are gimped from the get go. Meanwhile just about every single Destro class has GREAT aesthetics (outside of maybe squig hunter), and play well, leading to a more even class distribution.

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Re: [WL] What happened?

Post#6 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:46 am

Mystry wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:16 am all of Orders strongest classes either have terrible aesthetics (BW and Slayer) or are just not fun to play (KoTBS), so no one does play them
That's quite the opposite I experience.
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Re: [WL] What happened?

Post#7 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:15 am

Sulorie wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:46 am
Mystry wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:16 am all of Orders strongest classes either have terrible aesthetics (BW and Slayer) or are just not fun to play (KoTBS), so no one does play them
That's quite the opposite I experience.
I find my bw, slayer and wh so appealling....ppl must miss some good spots where catch nice appereance gear...

I should make a general apperenace ......lack of ppl for lairs prove that ppl are in dire need of it.
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Re: [WL] What happened?

Post#8 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:31 am

Biggest problems is aesthetics being in huge favor to destro and to balance that mythic made kotbs/bw/wp stronger that their conterparts so orders have a chance. And since on live everyone played orders got some of these trinity they want to try different here but rest classes are just not on par with the big trio.
Some of the changes of devs didnt help also. Making sh potent frontline dmg soaker and debuffer made the gap wider. Choppa retarded pull is without comment also
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Sulorie
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Re: [WL] What happened?

Post#9 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 9:35 am

People complaining about aesthetic are just too lazy to get alt appearance gear.
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Re: [WL] What happened?

Post#10 » Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:28 am

Mystry wrote: Wed Nov 14, 2018 7:16 am Trouble is, literally no one plays Slayer. No one. They are the least played MDPS by a BIG margin, and yet they are the best MDPS Order has.

Now look at the other options:
White Lion? Nerfed to the ground.
Witch Hunter? Lol you just try to do WH in WB.
Slayer? We already talked about Slayer.

The best part about all this is that it's not just MDPS with this problem. BW is Orders best RDPS by a LOT, yet is the least played, again by a big margin. Shadow Warriors have no appreciable burst by comparison and neither do Engineers really. Same deal with tanks. Ignoring the fact that there are VERY VERY VERY FEW TANKS AND HEALERS ON ORDER, everyone knows that KoTBS is the best WB/party tank, and yet they are the least played.

The point of all this? The game was biased in favor of Destro when it was being made by mythic, it was biased in favor of Destro when it was live, and it's biased in favor of Destro now because all of Orders strongest classes either have terrible aesthetics (BW and Slayer) or are just not fun to play (KoTBS), so no one does play them, and Order gets to desperately try to get something done when they are gimped from the get go. Meanwhile just about every single Destro class has GREAT aesthetics (outside of maybe squig hunter), and play well, leading to a more even class distribution.
Yep Slayer is weaker than even wh !! Playing for wh more profit than slayer, if we taking grp. Nerf ID was a mistake, 2h slayer is almost useless - becouse for 2h you need crit bonus damage % tactic like choppa have and violent impacts need seriously change
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