WL is probably the most broken class

[Bozao]

Let's be honest; anyone who thinks White Lion is okay needs to rethink their concept of balance.

I recently finished leveling up my WL BIS, but even before that, I never had much trouble getting at least 30 kills and few deaths from the lake. I'm not bragging, on the contrary, it's so easy to play with WL and rack up kills that anyone can do better.

WL urgently needs adjustments, especially to armor penetration. The Whirling Axe build is ridiculously OP, and for some reason, the range seems to be above what's described in the skill. Apparently, it's much more than 25 feet.

Well, the impression is that they left the class like this on purpose, to cause absurd damage without any consideration of the consequences. I've managed to kill over 14 players by jumping into the middle of the destruction while pushing during an attack on the keep in DW, using only Whirling Axe, and the damage reached the corners of the room...

They talk about a DPS balancing patch, but I'm almost certain that the Whirling Axe will continue to be insane, and that really breaks the game, especially since it seems the devs intend to make the game more and more zerg-oriented every day.

Yes, I know that WL defenders will appear, because it's difficult to leave your comfort zone.

[Sygma013]

The Whirling Axe build is ridiculously OP, and for some reason, the range seems to be above what's described in the skill. Apparently, it's much more than 25 feet.

same as choppa GTDC. ranges are glitchy here. Op? nope. simply destro tanks are incompetent and do not use taunt when they see you spinning.

[Sever1n]

Till it didnt became 20 pages of acusations, what actual proofs and numbers do you have to show us that OPness? And im not talking about dives in bunch of noobs in ruin gear, im talking about figths with bis chopas, tanks, fat armored heals with detaunts, or doll numbers atleast.

[Beogardt]

Let's be honest; anyone who thinks White Lion is okay needs to rethink their concept of balance.

I recently finished leveling up my WL BIS, but even before that, I never had much trouble getting at least 30 kills and few deaths from the lake. I'm not bragging, on the contrary, it's so easy to play with WL and rack up kills that anyone can do better.

WL urgently needs adjustments, especially to armor penetration. The Whirling Axe build is ridiculously OP, and for some reason, the range seems to be above what's described in the skill. Apparently, it's much more than 25 feet.

Well, the impression is that they left the class like this on purpose, to cause absurd damage without any consideration of the consequences. I've managed to kill over 14 players by jumping into the middle of the destruction while pushing during an attack on the keep in DW, using only Whirling Axe, and the damage reached the corners of the room...

They talk about a DPS balancing patch, but I'm almost certain that the Whirling Axe will continue to be insane, and that really breaks the game, especially since it seems the devs intend to make the game more and more zerg-oriented every day.

Yes, I know that WL defenders will appear, because it's difficult to leave your comfort zone.

Name of your WL?
Wanna check the solo kills on Killboard

[Bozao]

The Whirling Axe build is ridiculously OP, and for some reason, the range seems to be above what's described in the skill. Apparently, it's much more than 25 feet.

same as choppa GTDC. ranges are glitchy here. Op? nope. simply destro tanks are incompetent and do not use taunt when they see you spinning.

I also managed to get my Choppa BIS and it doesn't come close to the mobility of a White Lion. A Choppa, like a Slayer, is a free frag for RDPS/MAGEDPS... a White Lion is unstoppable, there's no one it can't catch.

We're talking about White Lions. There will always be someone using another class as a pretext. Create your post about Choppa, create your arguments there, I will support you. Without turmoil we will reach a better game.

[Bozao]

Let's be honest; anyone who thinks White Lion is okay needs to rethink their concept of balance.

I recently finished leveling up my WL BIS, but even before that, I never had much trouble getting at least 30 kills and few deaths from the lake. I'm not bragging, on the contrary, it's so easy to play with WL and rack up kills that anyone can do better.

WL urgently needs adjustments, especially to armor penetration. The Whirling Axe build is ridiculously OP, and for some reason, the range seems to be above what's described in the skill. Apparently, it's much more than 25 feet.

Well, the impression is that they left the class like this on purpose, to cause absurd damage without any consideration of the consequences. I've managed to kill over 14 players by jumping into the middle of the destruction while pushing during an attack on the keep in DW, using only Whirling Axe, and the damage reached the corners of the room...

They talk about a DPS balancing patch, but I'm almost certain that the Whirling Axe will continue to be insane, and that really breaks the game, especially since it seems the devs intend to make the game more and more zerg-oriented every day.

Yes, I know that WL defenders will appear, because it's difficult to leave your comfort zone.

Name of your WL?
Wanna check the solo kills on Killboard

https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... er/2828574

A long time dont play... This classe is boring because is very easy to play... But I had my glory days with so much blob in the ror...

[Bozao]

Till it didnt became 20 pages of acusations, what actual proofs and numbers do you have to show us that OPness? And im not talking about dives in bunch of noobs in ruin gear, im talking about figths with bis chopas, tanks, fat armored heals with detaunts, or doll numbers atleast.

There's no need for judgment, just common sense. It's impossible not to see how broken this class is, with its absurd mobility, pet + armor penetration... You have to be very distracted to die to another class; not even a tank can withstand that much armor penetration...

If you have a White Lion and it's challenging to play, I'm sorry to say you're doing it wrong...

[Sever1n]

So no proof then. Reminds previos WL witchhunts that was based on "obvious", "all know its OP", etc. No info - nothing to discuss, just ton of dif personal opinions wich we did in previos topics. Hope in dps rework class wont be ruined tnx to unbased acusations.

[Aethilmar]

Not going to touch the "OP" argument. But, I will say that WL skill trees and RvR armor make them very flexible and easy to play compared to their role mirror the Marauder.

In particular, WL have most of their main abilities in one tree i.e. Hunter. They have AOE interrupt, armor debuff, spin to win and plux ST spirit (lion's fury) and ST pet burst with coordinated strike. On top of that, their Invader armor bonuses give a +10% crit chance to the Hunter path which gives both single target and AOE a nice bonus while they going for Sov or whatever actual BiS is for WL these days.

Mara, as a point of comparison, has to swap stances to get from AOE to ST with a 5s delay. They get additional bonuses (and that delay malus) with that but it is definitely less flexible. And their Invader armor is all ST bonus.

If I were going to do something to make people have to tradeoffs a bit more on their WL like maybe move FO high into the Axeman tree so you had to make a choice.

[JohnnyWayne]

The Marauder is not their mirror. ST specc is the marauder mirror. AoE Specc mirror for WL is mSH. AoE specc mirror for marauder is SW. Why do people not understand that.

There is ONE mirror specc / class thats better than their destro mirror and we get tears non stop from destro players. Yet there are still rSH that do nothing but run and gun, out dps everything and have incoming and outgoing healdebuff in a single, spamable skill. Marauders are fielded constantly by high level play premades, yet destro players often times argue that they are terrible. Odd, isn't it?

There is overall more destro population and you want to hit order even more after there were 3 slayer nerfs back to back while choppa was buffed. And you wonder where the WL are suddenly coming from. I wouldn't touch the WL in any kind of way until the dps rework is live.